'woman' jailed for multiple abuse offences

Nothing to do with the police, they arrested an offender. They did not decide what gender the offender was.

For goodness sake. I hadn't seen this news story Doodledog but the mere fact he's referred too as a woman just shows how ridiculous this is.

A male prison surely, or am I being naive?

Jade is in a men’s prison.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-65097013

How long has this bloke been claiming he is a woman?
Since he got arrested?

Has "Zara Jade" applied to officially change her gender status to "woman" or is she self-identifying as a woman at the moment without formal paperwork for the transition? Has she taken any other steps to change her gender? That should affect whether "she" goes to a male or female prison. The choice of a female partner seems to show that "her" underlying sexual and hormonal makeup is still basically male. The use of domestic violence will be taken into account, too.

From Blossoming's link -;
" back in 1988 Jade had been locked up for five years for rape and other sexual offences and in 2013 she had been jailed again for another sexual matter.

Jade will now have to serve two-thirds of a nine year jail sentence and she will then be subject to an extended licence period of three years.

She was also handed a 12-year restraining order.

Jade will serve her sentence in a male prison, after new rules banning some transgender women from female prisons in England and Wales came into force last month.

Justice Secretary Dominic Raab initially announced the measures in October affecting trans women who have male genitalia or who had committed sexual offences.

He confirmed in February that he had also updated the policy to include transgender women convicted of violent offences.

back in 1988 Jade had been locked up for five years for rape

"She" is a man, then.

Honestly, this is getting ridiculous now. We need to stop calling these men she. HE is a bloke and a disgusting pervert!

Theexwife

Nothing to do with the police, they arrested an offender. They did not decide what gender the offender was.

They did arrest an offender, you're right. But to then refer to that offender as 'she' is a clear distortion of the truth, surely? Do you look at Zara Jade and see a woman? In an official report, it is vital that readers can believe what is written. An historian looking at this in 100 years time, a criminologist researching the incidence of violent crime, someone who plans ahead for spaces in jails - there will be more reasons for people to know social trends, and they need to be accurate.

It's not about 'deciding a gender' - I don't even know what that means. Sex is created at conception and is observed at birth. Nobody 'decides' anyone else's 'gender'.

Blossoming

Jade is in a men’s prison.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-65097013

Thanks, Blossoming.

It's so sad, because someone like this man, and other men convicted of rape who now claim to be women, give transgender people who just want to live a quiet life like the rest of us a bad name.

I couldn't agree more, Callistemon. It is desperately sad that those who did have a claim to being vulnerable and marginalised have had their cause hijacked by TRAs and people like 'Zara Jade', and their supporters. It has set back the cause of the 'genuine' transpeople by decades.

Theexwife

Nothing to do with the police, they arrested an offender. They did not decide what gender the offender was.

Ah, another fruit loop. Just what need on GN.

Callistemon21

^back in 1988 Jade had been locked up for five years for rape^

"She" is a man, then.

Gender change shouldn't be applied retrospectively. I assume that when the person was charged with rape in 1988, they were not Jade, they were whatever their male name was. If sentences are applied based on the age of the defendant at the time of the offence, this should also apply to their gender.

Callistemon21

It's so sad, because someone like this man, and other men convicted of rape who now claim to be women, give transgender people who just want to live a quiet life like the rest of us a bad name.

totally agree. The publicity given to these chancers stirs up hatred and ignorance and prejudice which is then suffered by those choosing to live as they wish, with no fuss

"He (defence barrister) added Jade had struggled with alcohol and had made "bad decisions" while in drink."

So 'Jade' has a previous rape and 'other' sexual offences conviction(s), was jailed again in 2013 for another 'sexual matter' - and has a problem with alcohol.

... I'm sure this individual is making clear and level-headed choices about gender identity, and understands all the issues and consequences that transitioning will involve. 😠

And, by law, we are forced to accept this without a murmur; and put up with the wrath of the TRAs because questioning the motives and actions of 'Jade' is transphobic?

This really is a "fresh hell" isn't it?

MerylStreep

Theexwife

Nothing to do with the police, they arrested an offender. They did not decide what gender the offender was.

Ah, another fruit loop. Just what need on GN.

That was rude, I simply meant it was not the police that decided, they are not at fault, they were bound by stupid rules of using the pro noun that a person says they are.

He rightly went to a men's prison.

I am not sure they are bound by these rules.
Who says, or is it just usage?
Either way, it is insulting, and it should be challenged loudly every time this stupidity is applied.

I agree on both counts- it probably is a rule (or ‘guideline’) that police reports use pronouns in line with the wishes of defendants. That is the case for journalists and other professions. I agree that we (the public) should object every time we see it. We should refuse to be gaslighted into going along with fantasies, and insist the the record is correct, for the benefit of history and so that statistics can be used properly.

Home office code of practice:
the person should be asked what gender they consider themselves to be. If they express a preference to be dealt with as a particular gender, they should be asked to indicate and confirm their preference by signing the custody record or, if a custody record has not been opened, the search record or the officer’s notebook. Subject to (ii) below, the person should be treated according to their preference except with regard to the requirements to provide that person with information concerning menstrual products and their personal needs relating to health, hygiene and welfare described in paragraph 3.20A (if aged under 18) and paragraphs 9.3A and 9.3B (if aged 18 or over). In these cases, a person whose confirmed preference is to be dealt with as being male should be asked in private whether they wish to speak in private with a member of the custody staff of a gender of their choosing about the provision of menstrual products and their personal needs, notwithstanding their confirmed preference (see Note L3A);

I'd like for sex and gender to stop being used interchangeably. Some of us don't identify as any gender, but we all have a biological sex. Especially in matters like crime our sex is all that needs to be recorded, not some inner feeling. If Jade was a "furry" or one of those men that identifies as a 6 year old girl would the authorities and press be referring to the 'child'? Of course not, so stop with the 'she' for these male offenders.

A disgusting abusive man claiming to be a woman does not give trans people a bad name

The people who say that give trans people a bad name by continuously conflating the two

Especially when, most trans women in prison are in male prisons and have never asked to go to a woman's prison... because they obviously have more respect for women than some women will ever have for them

For these sorts of statements to be allowed undoes any possibility for an intelligent reasoned discussion and just spreads fear and hatred. I expect better from feminists honestly. Its saddening to witness and why I won't participate in this discussion further

I don't understand why you don't unit VioletSky. It's not hard. Of course these violent abusive men who claim to be women when it suits them sets back the case for other transpeople who mean no one any harm and just want to quietly get on with life.

Emperor's new clothes always springs to mind in things like this.