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Are any of you guilty of nimbyism - objecting to solar farms?

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Dinahmo Thu 25-Aug-22 13:14:40

The following extract from a report in today's Guardian.

Solar farms are being refused planning permission in Great Britain at the highest rate in five years, analysis has found, with projects which would have cut £100m off annual electricity bills turned down in the past 18 months.

Planning permission for 23 solar farms was refused across England, Wales and Scotland between January 2021 and July 2022, which could have produced enough renewable energy to power an estimated 147,000 homes annually, according to analysis of government figures by the planning and development consultancy Turley.

The refusals have jumped significantly since the start of 2021 – the research found only four projects were refused planning permission during 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 combined.

Of the 27 declined solar farms between 2019 and 2022, 19 are in Conservative constituencies. Four were in Labour constituencies, three in Scottish National party constituencies, and one in a Liberal Democrat constituency.

There are fears such refusals could increase further as the Tory leadership contenders, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, have made disparaging comments about solar farms.

South-west and eastern England had the highest number of refusals in the last 18 months, with four projects turned down in each region. Wales, the West Midlands and Scotland each had three refusals, while the east Midlands, north-east and south-east of England each had two planning applications turned down.

Analysts at the thinktank Green Alliance said the rejected projects were large solar farms at an average of about 30MW each, which may account for the planning refusals as it is easier to get smaller farms approved.

However, it added that this should not be a reason to refuse planning permission, as larger solar farms could cut bills further.

It said the refused solar farms could have cut about £100m off Great Britain’s electricity bills this year.

volver Tue 30-Aug-22 02:13:08

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62677534

Why nuclear power is a really bad idea.

icanhandthemback Tue 30-Aug-22 08:56:30

Dinahmo

I'm aware that you can have both but think that it is probably cheaper to have just the solar thermal power and this might help people in the short term.

We only have Solar Thermal Panels, not Solar Water Panels, and I don't quite know how it works but the unused solar energy runs the immersion tank so the gas central heating uses less power to heat it. It only cost a couple of hundred pounds to add it to our Solar Thermal Panels but has been a game changer. We had our Solar Panels fitted some time ago and new technologies are getting better all the time.

MaizieD Tue 30-Aug-22 09:29:58

What are 'solar thermal panels' please? Are they the electricity producing panels that I know as solar photovoltaic panels?

icanhandthemback Tue 30-Aug-22 11:00:52

MaizieD

What are 'solar thermal panels' please? Are they the electricity producing panels that I know as solar photovoltaic panels?

That's what I believe them to be.

MaizieD Tue 30-Aug-22 11:08:51

icanhandthemback

MaizieD

What are 'solar thermal panels' please? Are they the electricity producing panels that I know as solar photovoltaic panels?

That's what I believe them to be.

Thanks. I get a bit confused over the terminology.

So your device uses the excess electricity your panel produces to heat the immersion heating device in your tank. Clever...

icanhandthemback Tue 30-Aug-22 11:22:59

MaizieD

icanhandthemback

MaizieD

What are 'solar thermal panels' please? Are they the electricity producing panels that I know as solar photovoltaic panels?

That's what I believe them to be.

Thanks. I get a bit confused over the terminology.

So your device uses the excess electricity your panel produces to heat the immersion heating device in your tank. Clever...

I'm wrong. There appears to be about £1000 difference between the two technologies. However, Thermal Panels only work in the hotter weather whereas PV Panels work all the year round. Thermal Panels need replacing twice as quickly as PV so although the initial outlay is better, they actually work out more expensive.

muse Tue 30-Aug-22 12:03:55

icanhandthemback

MaizieD

icanhandthemback

MaizieD

What are 'solar thermal panels' please? Are they the electricity producing panels that I know as solar photovoltaic panels?

That's what I believe them to be.

Thanks. I get a bit confused over the terminology.

So your device uses the excess electricity your panel produces to heat the immersion heating device in your tank. Clever...

I'm wrong. There appears to be about £1000 difference between the two technologies. However, Thermal Panels only work in the hotter weather whereas PV Panels work all the year round. Thermal Panels need replacing twice as quickly as PV so although the initial outlay is better, they actually work out more expensive.

The two are very different.

Solar thermal panels only give you hot water. Water runs through them, heats up and feeds into a solar thermal tank (cylinder). Water is for washing etc. and not for heating the home because it can't produce enough during the winter months.

PV (Photovoltaic) panels give you power/energy. These need inverters and storage. Many refer to these as solar panels.

We have both for our new home. PV on the ground (12 panels, inverter, programmer and batteries). New home has 2 solar thermal panels on the roof + a 3000 ltr storage tank.

MaizieD Tue 30-Aug-22 19:46:04

Solar thermal panels only give you hot water. Water runs through them, heats up and feeds into a solar thermal tank (cylinder). Water is for washing etc. and not for heating the home because it can't produce enough during the winter months.

I don't know. Mine can heat the water a little in the winter if there's sufficient sunlight.

We have them connected to a thermal store, which is like a big super insulated cylinder in which the water can be heated from any heat source, we have the oil boiler and the woodburner connected to it as well. The water for hot water and for the heating passes through separate coils in the tank and the hot water in the tank heats the water as it passes through the coils. It cuts down our oil usage.

Now I know what solar thermal is I won't be confused again grin

icanhandthemback Tue 30-Aug-22 20:49:10

Thank you, Muse for explaining. Somewhere between writing my post and pressing the post message button, I managed to completely lose the explanation about the two systems without noticing.

happycatholicwife1 Wed 07-Sept-22 04:55:22

Yes

varian Wed 07-Sept-22 10:05:48

It is not true that solar thermal panels only work in hot weather. The light shining on the panels heats the water in the panels even in the winter.

A few solar thermal panels on the roof can produce all the hot water you need during the summer and also make a useful contribution to heating the water in the winter.

icanhandthemback Wed 07-Sept-22 10:17:13

varian

It is not true that solar thermal panels only work in hot weather. The light shining on the panels heats the water in the panels even in the winter.

A few solar thermal panels on the roof can produce all the hot water you need during the summer and also make a useful contribution to heating the water in the winter.

Perhaps I should have said "work efficiently". However, I did read several articles which all said that they needed the warmer weather to be a worthwhile investment.

varian Tue 13-Sept-22 20:03:01

Rees Mogg's appointment is dangerous for our response to climate change

www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/architects-declare-warns-rees-mogg-appointment-is-dangerous-radical-madness