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Are any of you guilty of nimbyism - objecting to solar farms?

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Dinahmo Thu 25-Aug-22 13:14:40

The following extract from a report in today's Guardian.

Solar farms are being refused planning permission in Great Britain at the highest rate in five years, analysis has found, with projects which would have cut £100m off annual electricity bills turned down in the past 18 months.

Planning permission for 23 solar farms was refused across England, Wales and Scotland between January 2021 and July 2022, which could have produced enough renewable energy to power an estimated 147,000 homes annually, according to analysis of government figures by the planning and development consultancy Turley.

The refusals have jumped significantly since the start of 2021 – the research found only four projects were refused planning permission during 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 combined.

Of the 27 declined solar farms between 2019 and 2022, 19 are in Conservative constituencies. Four were in Labour constituencies, three in Scottish National party constituencies, and one in a Liberal Democrat constituency.

There are fears such refusals could increase further as the Tory leadership contenders, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, have made disparaging comments about solar farms.

South-west and eastern England had the highest number of refusals in the last 18 months, with four projects turned down in each region. Wales, the West Midlands and Scotland each had three refusals, while the east Midlands, north-east and south-east of England each had two planning applications turned down.

Analysts at the thinktank Green Alliance said the rejected projects were large solar farms at an average of about 30MW each, which may account for the planning refusals as it is easier to get smaller farms approved.

However, it added that this should not be a reason to refuse planning permission, as larger solar farms could cut bills further.

It said the refused solar farms could have cut about £100m off Great Britain’s electricity bills this year.

Neilspurgeon0 Sun 28-Aug-22 16:58:46

A solar farm has been built just a few hundred yards away from where I live, it was permitted even though we have a Tory council and it is excellent and does not harm us at all, not anything like as much as the sewage farm next door to it which has always been there whose pong locally is horrid when the wind blows that way. Solar farms and wind turbines and nuclear power plants are essential. Get them built

Milest0ne Sun 28-Aug-22 17:06:01

Why isn't more being made of tidal power? We have a huge tidal range around our coast which operates twice a day.. Turbines under the water would not affect the bird population

volver Sun 28-Aug-22 17:09:35

Och no. Come on now folks.

Not nuclear. Not nuclear, please. Out of the frying pan into the fire. The nuclear fire. The radioactive fire that we have no idea how to deal with. The fire that stores up problems for future generations that nobody knows how to deal with.

("Fire" being used metaphorically, before anyone tells me its not really a fire.)

Unless somebody can convince me otherwise?

GrauntyHelen Sun 28-Aug-22 18:23:14

If Truss and Sunak are against spamming hem I'm all for them !

GrauntyHelen Sun 28-Aug-22 18:24:30

If Truss and Sunak are against them then I am all for them

Oldnproud Sun 28-Aug-22 18:42:38

GrauntyHelen

If Truss and Sunak are against them then I am all for them

Irrational as it is, I feel the same way!

Whiterabbit1956 Sun 28-Aug-22 19:55:58

We have to face facts and go with clean energy options. We have tens of thousands of square miles of countryside in the UK (the total area of the UK is approx 95,960 sq mi). Surely a lot more of it could be put over to Solar and wind farms. Of course our National Trust and Special sites of Scientific interest and of course popular beauty spots should be protected. Sdaly legislation changes of time (e.g. see how the green blts are shriking at a rapidly growing rate)

I do think it is essential that we become more reliable on such projects. I did an environmental Masters degree and looked at various forms of clean energy ranging from the ones we are familiar with, i.e. wind and solar energy, but there's also other types such as the gravity forms that harness the moons pull on the earth through our tides. Large containers that fill up when the tide is in fixed to the sides of cliffs give a decent amount of hydro electricity as does the tide barriers that you place across large bays (Morecambe bay was once considered for this back in the 1980's but nothing came of it). Then there's Geothermal energy that can be used. We've considered having our garden ripped up to take advantage of the latent heat that can be used to heat our water, but decided it wasn't practical as our garden is only around 90'x90' at the back and about half that size at the front. The cost is prohibitive, but in the long run; especially now with ever increasing energy bills it may be practical.

We've just had solar panels put up. I was pleasantly surprised at the design. The latest ones seem less obtrusive than older versions.

The non-renewable resources such as oil are needed for more important things than fuel for cars, (e.g. the paharacutical industry and other uses)

leeds22 Sun 28-Aug-22 20:18:44

My only objection to solar farms is when they are put on good farm land which could otherwise be producing foodstuffs or grazing for livestock. We should also be covering the roofs of buildings on ugly industrial estates with solar panels too. And all new build houses should have solar panels on their roofs as part of the planning requirements.

choughdancer Sun 28-Aug-22 20:55:31

knspol

Not exactly on point but I have been considering solar panels on my roof and wonder if any of you gransnetters who already have them have had problems with the wind getting under them or of birds or bats nesting underneath?

I've had them on my roof for about 8 years and they have been totally trouble-free. I can't say I've examined them closely for bird or bat nests, but if they are nesting there I'm delighted to be providing extra habitat for them!

At the moment with the dramatic increase in price for power, I'm seriously thinking of having a battery installed so that I can use all the power they produce,

EEJit Sun 28-Aug-22 21:11:45

My issue with solar farms is that they can replace agricultural land.

We are an island nation, I don't understand we we don't invest in tidal power.

Tamayra Sun 28-Aug-22 23:14:58

With Tesla technology you can fuel your house from a shoe box size device for free
It’s coming ladies Solar devices will not be needed smile

volver Sun 28-Aug-22 23:21:23

Tamayra

With Tesla technology you can fuel your house from a shoe box size device for free
It’s coming ladies Solar devices will not be needed smile

And the source of the energy is...?

Katie59 Mon 29-Aug-22 07:29:22

feelmorethanfine.eu › tr-3b-the-free-energy-device-that-powers-that-is-the-size-of-a-shoe-box

Nikolai Tesla not Elon Musk

volver Mon 29-Aug-22 07:33:27

And where does the archangel Michael come into it?

Katie59 Mon 29-Aug-22 07:38:07

feelmorethanfine.eu/tr-3b-the-free-energy-device-that-powers-that-is-the-size-of-a-shoe-box-from-nikola-tesla/

volver Mon 29-Aug-22 07:57:55

Free energy from a device the size of a shoe box?

More chance of a visitation from the archangel Michael.

First Law of Thermodynamics.

Secondwind Mon 29-Aug-22 08:59:26

There are/were plans for one 5 minutes down the road from me. The short straggle of houses opposite all had posters on their fronts objecting to it and I’m not sure where the plans are at the moment. Someone pointed out the site to me and it was completely obscured from view by a magnificent hedge.
I genuinely can’t understand their objections.

Callistemon21 Mon 29-Aug-22 10:19:57

Katie59

feelmorethanfine.eu › tr-3b-the-free-energy-device-that-powers-that-is-the-size-of-a-shoe-box

Nikolai Tesla not Elon Musk

He died 60 years ago confused

volver Mon 29-Aug-22 10:40:51

Call there is a faction who think that Tesla (the physicist, not the car company wink ) came up with a way of harnessing energy that would cost nothing and would be never ending. They also think that the elite used it to go to Mars and that we are not allowed to know about it because they are keeping it for themselves.

Must say, I'm not convinced. ?

icanhandthemback Mon 29-Aug-22 10:51:10

EEJit

My issue with solar farms is that they can replace agricultural land.

We are an island nation, I don't understand we we don't invest in tidal power.

They can be reclaimed though whereas unprofitable agricultural land has hours built on so it is unlikely to ever be brought back into agricultural use.

Callistemon21 Mon 29-Aug-22 11:04:40

volver

Call there is a faction who think that Tesla (the physicist, not the car company wink ) came up with a way of harnessing energy that would cost nothing and would be never ending. They also think that the elite used it to go to Mars and that we are not allowed to know about it because they are keeping it for themselves.

Must say, I'm not convinced. ?

He was hundreds of years ahead of his time then!

No-one has managed it yet. I do remember discussions about the possibility some kind of new energy being used for space flight (vaguely).

Perhaps they got to Mars but couldn't get back again, that's why all went quiet ?

Dinahmo Mon 29-Aug-22 11:12:31

It seems to me that we should have a variety of methods for harnessing energy. Unlike water, electricity can be transported across the country through the existing networks. Solar panels should be retro fixed to commercial and industrial buildings and car parks wherever possible even if for the sole use of the individual premises.

Historically people used windmills and tide mills to provide energy and we should do so again.

I had a vague recollection that in Australia there is a different system for solar heating but couldn't find the information.However, I did see that by 2014 14% of Australian houses were fitted with solar thermal power systems. They don't figure in many discussions of energy saving because they don't produce electricity.In Australia they estimate that the use of solar thermal power saves up to 80% of energy costs for water heating.

In order to use solar thermal power I think that it would be necessary to change an existing hot water tank and the new one would have to include an immersion heater for use in winter. But, whilst one cannot store electricity easily at the moment, it is possible to store hot water.

When our house was designed we requested an hot water tank that could be fitted with the necessary equipment but it didn't happen and we didn't find out until it was too late. We have a large cylinder which would be expensive to replace so the plan is on hold for the moment.

icanhandthemback Mon 29-Aug-22 13:49:45

Dinahmo, we have a system where any unused solar power is used to heat our water. It cost a little bit extra but was well worth the money. We could also have had something fitted where the panels would work independently which would have generated even more power. At the moment they only work as a group but we get a good amount of solar power even so.

Dinahmo Mon 29-Aug-22 14:49:10

I'm aware that you can have both but think that it is probably cheaper to have just the solar thermal power and this might help people in the short term.

MaizieD Mon 29-Aug-22 15:55:42

We have a solar water panel, installed about 10 /15 years ago. Yes, it did need a new tank but it included pipe work to heat the water by both the oil central heating boiler and the woodburner, which is also connected to the heating and hot water systems. Sometimes in the summer we can go for weeks on just the solar panel alone. The other heat sources see us through the winter.

I realise that this is not a practical solution for may people, but I do think that all new builds should incorporate both types of solar panels. I wonder if it is the energy firms who might be obstructing this. After all, it would mean a fall in their profits if everyone had their own source of free energy...