the law as it stands on sex - part 3

FarNorth

Here's another of those incredibly rare occurrences - a 60yr old who identifies as a 5yr old child and says 'she' is terrified of going to jail for assaulting young children.

metro.co.uk/2022/04/26/dummy-sucking-paedophile-in-a-santa-elf-outfit-is-spared-prison-16534222/amp/

I've been working today, so haven't opened links, but have done it now and am amazed that this person is not in jail.

How can he not be a danger to others? How? Of course he's not typical of transwomen (far from it), but it is the power they have over the judiciary amongst other institutions that has given him this protection. It's madness.

I read about the paedophile with the dummy abd elf outfit, who IDs as a 5 year old girl some time ago. There’s an individual in our town, who dresses as a toddler, pushes a doll prank and sucks a dummy. Very chilling image h/she looks as they stride through the town centre, or attend public meetings, talks and discussions.
It’s good to be able to wonder about the personality under the dressing up, without being accused of either transphobia, or only mentioning ‘extreme’ cases. My life and work experience leaves me concerned about the potential risks to children, or very vulnerable people posed by these attention seeking, no doubt psychologically disturbed individuals

Regardless of your politics and the fact that I’m in favour of all this being uncovered, I find these two statements incongruous.
March 2022
Sir Keir Starmer refused to answer the question of whether a woman can have a penis in the latest Labour Party confusion over the transgender debate.
The topic has been a point of division in the party for more than a year after Sir Keir said backbencher Rosie Duffield’s comment that “only women have a cervix” was “not right”.
April 2022
On Wednesday, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told the House of Commons:
"But I hope he (PM) has also sent a clear message that there is no place for sexism and misogyny . . . in this House, or in modern Britain

Oh, that's easy, Mollygo.

Transwomen can experience misogyny and sexism because they are women.

Tbf, I think misogyny and sexism could happen towards transwomen or transgirls from persons or organisations which regard them as female.
It doesn't mean they actually are female.

I sincerely hope that there is a PR team beavering away somewhere looking at how the LP can turn this around, The tide is (I hope) turning when it comes to public opinion, but Keir and the others are behind the curve, and it could cost them dear.

Sorry FarNorth! How could I have forgotten they’d fixed the vocabulary!

Have you seen the latest about men giving birth? I’m beginning to think that I’m hallucinating all this stuff. It’s extraordinary how people seem to have swallowed the trans thing hook, line and sinker.

reduxx.info/exclusive-midwifery-students-taught-how-to-care-for-males-giving-birth/?fbclid=IwAR3dWyyQCnrm7PaTowQuCvqpTekJTgCbM7fgj6qkOVbc_hZuxk8Zj1Uv9Ec

And the excellent millihilli’s response. millihill.substack.com/p/people-with-penises-dont-have-babies?s=w&fbclid=IwAR3-RM1s1zbITgPvjmDYP0lmQDAcWhYu_kvBdGIkfVxE4i5gfnHSPuzgHUk

SueDonim. I’d like to say it’s unbelievable! Sadly there are some people who will believe it. I go further and say there are some people who will say that because it’s now in writing it must be true. It’s still a lie.

Peter Tatchell seems to have started a debate about whether a school should advise parents if a child tells them "they" are trans.

I think a school should advise parents of anything relevant, if it affects their child - they are minors, and parents are, ultimately responsible for them.

(Obviously not if the child discloses something about the parents being abusive though.)

Other than that, parents should be kept informed.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10762383/Campaigner-says-schools-tell-parents-child-transgender.html

"People with penises don't have babies" If they did, it might bring home clearly to them just why women say that men with penises are not women. Reminds me a little of the old saying that if women had the first baby and men had the second, there would never be a third. Maybe that should be amended to say that if men had the first, there would never be a second.

Seeing the fuss my husband makes with a minor cold, I cannot imagine the fuss if he had to give birth...?

Apologies for the DM - I read it to get a balance.
But I couldn't help laughing at this:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10763779/Women-allowed-swim-topless-German-pools-swimmer-told-cover-breasts-says-theyre-trans.html

It could of course put some trans children at risk', he said. 'If parents are informed without the consultation of the child, there are some parents who are very hostile to having a trans child and we know that some trans children are subjected to emotional and psychological bullying to stop them being trans.
And I know that some trans children -whether genuinely trans or not are capable of subjecting other children to emotional and psychological bullying for not agreeing to be trans.
In school we are told not to promise to keep children’s revelations in confidence, because they have to be raised with the DSL.
Whether keeping trans concerns from parents is right or not, the children should be offered support, but by whom?

Gender neutral toilets have been introduced in a children's play park.

What could possibly go wrong? ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10755719/The-Way-Unisex-Fury-gender-neutral-toilets-childrens-play-park-Brentwood.html

I have mixed feelings about the GN toilets in a children't park. There will be children there with parents of the opposite sex, and if they are very young they might need help to use the loo.

The possible downsides are obvious, of course, and shouldn't be ignored. Perhaps a separate Ladies, a Gents and a parent and child loo (locked at night) would have been better?

I agree Doodledog there needs to one or two toilets where opposite sex parents can take their child, but for the majority single sex provision would be preferable.

As for the Peter Tatchell comment. If a teacher thinks a child's confusion over their sex shouldn't be communicated to a parent, then surely there are other concerns too? Children need support to examine their feelings, not secretive affirmation. Anyway if the child is being referred to with a different name by his/her classmates surely that will get back to the parents in the end via other parents? If the child is otherwise keeping their 'trans status' just between them and the teacher isn't that a safeguarding risk?

Peter Tatchell seems to be losing the plot.

After a survey of 121 trans men, who are obviously biological women, a government funded report has urged NHS hospitals to use terms such as "frontal birth" instead of vaginal birth, and to use "chest feeding" instead of breast feeding.

This is because previously used terms, known to everyone, apparently "triggers" the trans folk. ?

It is also recommended that they be allocated private rooms, whilst in hospital, so they are not further "triggered" and made to feel uncomfortable by seeing women in there. (I can't imagine overcrowded and 'under pressure' hospitals being too happy about that.)

I'm so happy that I am long past childbearing age and not having to be subjected to this nonsense.?

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10762815/NHS-urged-use-terms-chestfeeding-frontal-birth-instead-breastfeeding-vaginal-birth.html

I know, the DM specialises in scandal mongering, printing nonsense about straight banana’s, etc. I’ve long believed if that paper was shut for 3 months the Uk would be a happier, less divided place.
Having said this, I write as Ms Infuriated of north Manchester. Does it matter that I feel ‘triggered’ by the notion of front delivery or chest feeding? Course not. My minority group, AHF are consigned to the back waters where we always belonged. Stroppy lot expecting equality

Does it matter that I feel ‘triggered’ by the notion of front delivery or chest feeding? Course not. My minority group, AHF are consigned to the back waters where we always belonged. Stroppy lot expecting equality This is the problem exactly! 'Inclusive language' has a way of either dehumanising or excluding the majority. When we say we hate these terms and find them offensive, suddenly we're told we should just suck it up. I'd lay bets they'd be slower to change correct terms for other body parts and functions. I can't understand how someone can be so 'triggered' by their female anatomy being referred to in the correct terms, and yet is able to do that exclusively female thing gestate and deliver a child. Words cannot be endured but a 9 month pregnancy can? I'm thinking it's just a way of feeling 'more special'.

Rosie51
If the child is otherwise keeping their 'trans status' just between them and the teacher isn't that a safeguarding risk? Exactly, and the teacher would have to report it to the Designated Safeguarding Lead.
Obviously Mr Thatchell doesn’t know much about education . . . or possibly anything else.

Iam64

I know, the DM specialises in scandal mongering, printing nonsense about straight banana’s, etc. I’ve long believed if that paper was shut for 3 months the Uk would be a happier, less divided place.
Having said this, I write as Ms Infuriated of north Manchester. Does it matter that I feel ‘triggered’ by the notion of front delivery or chest feeding? Course not. My minority group, AHF are consigned to the back waters where we always belonged. Stroppy lot expecting equality

Yes, it is one of "those" newspapers. As with the Guardian, it has its own fixed agenda.

But, they are about the only mainstream, very popular newspaper that have taken up this issue.

And I'm glad they have.?

It is also recommended that they be allocated private rooms, whilst in hospital, so they are not further "triggered" and made to feel uncomfortable by seeing women in there. (I can't imagine overcrowded and 'under pressure' hospitals being too happy about that.)
Will they have men’s gowns printed with masculine images to back up their claims?

Why not let transmen call themselves and their bits whatever they want? Why does it have to affect AHF? I’d be truly “triggered” if I was referred to by their terms.

There should be “paternity wards” where transmen and all the real men delivering babies through a penis could be housed!
Will they have men’s gowns printed with masculine images to back up their claims?
Will they be so macho that they’ll turn down epidurals and gas and air? I don’t think so.???
If you want to be a transman (never a male) don’t get pregnant, don’t give birth.
By doing that, you’re simply proving you are female, not male.

I think these biological women, whatever they are calling themselves, need to stick to the basics.

There are (as far as I know) only two ways to give birth. Via the vagina, or by C- Section.

No one can give birth via a penis, or via the anal passage.

No one, but a biological woman can do it.

Only a biological women can suckle a baby. They do it with their breasts. There is no other "natural" way of doing it.

A biological male cannot use his chest, as far as I know. Nature has dictated that in humans.

If they are so triggered by what body parts are called, or by being near other women, how on earth will they cope with the stresses and strains of bringing up a child?

Alarming, and it's feels as if half the world has gone nuts..?

The Guardian has bought into the trans agenda massively, although The Observer makes a better fist at being sensible about it.

I don't know about paternity wards - I mean how many transmen actually give birth? It must be very few, surely?

Generally speaking, I'm not in favour of giving any type of 'awkward squad' preferential treatment just for shouting louder, but in this case, it might make sense to let them have private rooms, so long as they don't take them at the expense of women who've just had emergency sections and actually need them. Having a new baby is difficult enough, and can be confusing for women who are part of a massive support network, but it's probably terrifying for a transman who is likely to be marginalised at best.

I don't want to make life more difficult for transpeople, I just want to stop the TRA/Stonewall agenda from eroding the rights of women, and replacing us as a sex group with some sort of hybrid 'gender'.