the law as it stands on sex - part 3

The rooms should be used for anyone that actually needs them - including trans men.

My daughter was given one when her baby died at a day old - she needed to stay in, but they recognised the distress that would be caused by her staying on a ward full of babies and happy relatives.

Others in rooms including those that were not too well, or who had infections etc.

But, I don't think it's a good idea to allocate these rooms according to who is identifying as what.

Posted too soon - for avoidance of doubt, I definitely see changing the vocabulary that surrounds childbirth (an exclusively female thing) with 'gender-neutral' terminology is part of that erosion.

DiamondLily

The rooms should be used for anyone that actually needs them - including trans men.

My daughter was given one when her baby died at a day old - she needed to stay in, but they recognised the distress that would be caused by her staying on a ward full of babies and happy relatives.

Others in rooms including those that were not too well, or who had infections etc.

But, I don't think it's a good idea to allocate these rooms according to who is identifying as what.

Yes, they shouldn't be automatically allocated to anyone saying they are male, but on the basis of need.

diamond lily, The need your daughter had for a private room really brought home the nerf for ‘ordinary’ women to be the focus of care in maternity units

Iam64

diamond lily, The need your daughter had for a private room really brought home the nerf for ‘ordinary’ women to be the focus of care in maternity units

Too true Iam64. It’s worrying that tm needs might come first.

Sorry, it should read ‘need for ordinary women’. My iPad has a mind of its own

This article, from a young man in Sweden, who thought he wanted to be female, shows the physical harm that giving young people puberty blockers can cause:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10768707/When-Britain-wake-danger-giving-puberty-blockers-children.html

Very sad, poor lad. ?

It’s shocking that Leo suffered so much and will continue to suffer. Thank goodness the Cass report is available and GIDS likely to close. We still need medical personnel with extensive knowledge on camhs but that shouldn’t be listen to the child and help her/him start the physical process to change gender. These children can’t possibly be Gillick competent at 12

DL I suspect we will hear more of these cases and the damage caused by this treatment. Inadequate record keeping from places like the Tavistock Clinic in the UK mean more reliance on individuals like Keira Bell coming forward to share their experiences.

It worries me that some will use this as an excuse for men just to be able to self ID as women because of the potential harm to their health and mental welbeing that surgery and/or hormone treatment might cause.
Regardless of the potential harm to the health and mental well-being of natal women that they might cause.

It also worries me that some will use this as an excuse for girls just to be able to self ID as boys because of the potential harm to their health and mental welbeing that surgery and/or hormone treatment might cause.
Regardless of the potential harm to the health and mental well-being of natal girls that they might cause.

The topic of possible harm caused by puberty-blockers seems to be coming more to the fore now, as I’ve seen a few things about it lately. One person said that there are concerns that as well as blocking the physical signs of puberty it also blocks the maturation of the adolescent brain.

‘Some people’ would deny these problems, though, I’m sure.

DL Sadly stories like Leo's will surface more and more. So many young lives ruined at the holy grail of transgender ideology. Will those who informed us doctors and scientists agreed the correct treatment for dysphoria is transition now rethink? Will they feel any guilt for having supported this line of action? I'm imagining there will be an awful lot of posts on social media being deleted very soon. Thank goodness there are people who have archived many of these posts so the more famous who have endorsed this abomination will have no place to hide. But more importantly this treatment and the surgeries on children must stop immediately.

Doodledog - I agree with everything you have said. Imagine giving birth through a penis - it's hystercial! How does it work anatomically?

"hysterical" I can't type anymore!

Gossamerbeynon1945

Doodledog - I agree with everything you have said. Imagine giving birth through a penis - it's hystercial! How does it work anatomically?

Painfully I hope!???

So do I. It must be impossible!

Gossamerbeynon1945

Doodledog - I agree with everything you have said. Imagine giving birth through a penis - it's hystercial! How does it work anatomically?

It doesn't .

Transmen are women who want to be men, but because of their female bodies can get pregnant. I don't have figures, but I can't imagine that many women simultaneously 'know that they are men', have sex as woman and go on to get pregnant, but nevertheless, the move to change the language in maternity wards is to avoid 'triggering' transmen, who don't want to be reminded of the fact that they are women by being included in the female terminology that surrounds maternity. They want so-called 'gender-neutral' language to be used instead, with mothers referred to as 'birth givers' and so on.

Nobody is suggesting that men are actually giving birth - transmen are not men, any more than transwomen are women; but their fantasy that this is the case is driving the agenda, as in so much of what goes on in the name of trans.

Bit off piste but relevant I think.
Did anyone hear the caller to any answers today who was responding to the MP viewing porn in Parliament issue? The caller started by asking what the problem was, the MP ‘wasn’t doing anything illegal’, why did the female MP intrude by looking at his phone?
Anita A asked the caller if she’d be ok with sitting next to a man who was viewing porn on his phone. She wouldn’t look but if it was such close proximity, she ‘may move if she didn’t like it’. Anita A asked why she, the woman should move?
The caller went on to say she wouldn’t like to see more women in Parliament. Made negative comments the said Parliament needs more trans women to balance things out
Aibu to believe the women calling is a transwoman?

I've been out all day so missed AQ/AA (and I keep forgetting it's Saturday!), but I can't imagine how having more transwomen in parliament would 'balance things out'.

If anything, it would ensure that things continue to be run by males, but give the appearance that women are being allowed in on the action, wouldn't it? But that can't be the aim, as that would be patriarchal, wouldn't it? And that's not what the trans agenda is about, is it? Perish the thought.

Norfolk Police Constabulary have "helpfully" introduced the "Genderbread Person", as they think there are 37 different genders nowadays....?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10771349/Norfolk-Constabulary-issues-inclusive-language-list-37-sexual-identities-genders.html

Like so much in this ‘debate’, that has already gone out of date, to be replaced by a unicorn (unless that, too, has now been superseded by something else). ‘Intersex’ has gone, and ‘sex assigned at birth’ has come in.

If things stayed the same, ‘some people’ would be out of work, so everything keeps changing and those who buy into it all have to keep referring to the self-appointed experts to find out what’s in and what’s out.

Still, it keeps people in work, doesn’t it? ?

"a government funded report has urged NHS hospitals to use terms such as "frontal birth" instead of vaginal birth"

Surely a caesarian is more 'frontal' than a vaginal birth.

Why would the police need to know all that stuff about people's sexual orientation anyway? I don't see it's any of their business.

Well, no, a shoplifter (say) is a shoplifter, whether that person wears a skirt or a suit.

But, the Met Police have been told not to use terms such as "Mr/Mrs/Ms/Miss" , "Ladies", "Gentlemen", "Sir" or "Madam", and to use "you" "all" etc., ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10724959/Police-officers-told-use-gender-neutral-forms-address-new-guidance.html

Confronted with several men and one woman who have witnessed a crime, I don't suppose the police can ask "the lady" to come with them to make a statement. They'll have to invite "You with the beard, in the bikini and glittery sandals."

FarNorth

^"a government funded report has urged NHS hospitals to use terms such as "frontal birth" instead of vaginal birth"^

Surely a caesarian is more 'frontal' than a vaginal birth.

Why would the police need to know all that stuff about people's sexual orientation anyway? I don't see it's any of their business.

I suppose they’ll need to know sexual orientation to know whether to record crimes as hate crimes; but that is entirely separate from so-called ‘gender alignment’.

The birthing language is ridiculous- the NHS is in crisis, yet time and money is being wasted on training midwives and other staff to use daft terminology in situations that will hardly ever arise.

Frontal birth?

I thought we were supposed to be moving away from such twee language. We might as well say we give birth through our ‘whizzer’ which is what my niece used to call her private parts!