the law as it stands on sex - part 3

not really an answer but I used to go to a car boot where one of the traders was previously a man. It was in a small village and yet nobody blinked. Obviously was a male at birth and now dressed as a woman- smashing legs. nobody appeared to be bothered . I also worked with a woman - may have been a man before (as suggested by my colleagues). I had no problems with the preferred new gender. I've never known a woman wanting to be a man. I was aware of a surgeon in the Leicester area who was held to be responsible for terrible issues after surgery - constant urination and other issues.

A transgender Rikers Island inmate with previous arrests for assault raped a female prisoner after she finished showering in the women's section of the violence-plagued New York City facility.

Ramel Blount, 33, who goes by the name Diamond Blount, pleaded guilty to the sexual attack in a deal on April 7, the Bronx District Attorney's Office announced Monday.
The 33-year-old victim, whose name was not released, had just finished showering when Blount approached her from behind, held her down by the back of her neck and raped her at the Rose M. Singer center on February 8.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10755219/Transgender-Rikers-inmate-incarcerated-assault-housed-womens-wing-RAPES-female-inmate.html

I don't think that anyone (on here at any rate) would bat an eyelid at someone who 'lived as' a woman but was born a man. What we are saying is that they are transwomen, not women.

They are also very different from men who simply say that they are women, in order to gain access to women that they wouldn't otherwise have. It is that 'self id' that has caused the problems. For transwomen such as you describe as well as for women.

These incredibly rare occurrences are coming thick and fast aren't they FarNorth?

Sorry = my post was to kjmpde.

Chewbacca

These incredibly rare occurrences are coming thick and fast aren't they FarNorth?

Yes and more people are willing to talk about them and risk being shouted down as transphobic.
Of course, we could be reading posts about what males like Tim Westwood have been accused of, as a reason for not saying TW attacks are appalling. I’m relieved we’re not.

I was going to reply to kjmpde, but Doodledog has said all I wanted to say.

I'm a bit confused by the reference to Tim Westwood.
Do you mean we could be saying that men are going to find ways to assault women whatever we do and we're being silly to worry about self-id ?

That is a very good article from Legal Feminist.

Chewbacca

These incredibly rare occurrences are coming thick and fast aren't they FarNorth?

And it doesn't matter how many there are really, the fact is the only reason they can happen is because of the placement of a male born prisoner now identifying as a woman, still with a man's strength and body , with convictions for assault, has been put in a woman's prison!!

FarNorth

I'm a bit confused by the reference to Tim Westwood.
Do you mean we could be saying that men are going to find ways to assault women whatever we do and we're being silly to worry about self-id ?

No, but actions like that, by someone who is male have been used on GN as an argument that “men attack women and women attack women so it’s unfair to focus on TW who attack women”.
It’s not a good defence, but it has been used on more than one occasion.

Correct Doodledog; as has the "women do terrible things to each other in prisons as well you know!" That's true. So why put a male in with them so that he can do more?

Thanks Mollygo.

A friend has said to me that the statistics for male crimes mean nothing.
They compare them to higher figures for crime by black people and ask if that means I'd support restrictions on black people.

Good ole whataboutery FarNorth!

Why do people trying to make an untenable case always compare it to something emotive and unconscionable such as racism? We've had it on here when we've complained about men competing in women's sports - because a small number of black athletes have been affected by sex anomalies anyone questioning allowing transwomen to compete as women is accused of being racist. It's like they've all been sent a cribsheet of standard responses to criticisms of their ideology.

It's unfortunate for them that it doesn't make sense so they have to cast around for whatever they can find to cling to.

Because their arguments are weak Doodledog, if they can't shut us up with accusations of trans phobic they play the racist card.

That reminds me, this thread hasn't been deleted yet. Do you think we can all stop worrying about that now?

I stopped worrying about it on page 1 FarNorth.

There was never any reason why it should have been deleted. It is not uncommon for threads to run to more than one part - deleting this would surely have meant deleting them, too. As for naming people in a post - what difference does it make if that post opens one thread or ends the previous one?

I can't help thinking that the 'spot the transwoman' game didn't go the way it was intended (whatever that was), but as it was conveniently at the end of a thread, it was hoped that the game would die with it. Similarly, the 'nobody's rights are violated' thing was shown to be nonsense, so rather than attempt to defend it, getting the thread pulled would have been an easier option, as well as an opportunity to show righteous indignation that pesky women have dared to question the rights of men to enter our spaces.

Chewbacca

^A transgender Rikers Island inmate with previous arrests for assault raped a female prisoner after she finished showering in the women's section of the violence-plagued New York City facility.^

Ramel Blount, 33, who goes by the name Diamond Blount, pleaded guilty to the sexual attack in a deal on April 7, the Bronx District Attorney's Office announced Monday.
The 33-year-old victim, whose name was not released, had just finished showering when Blount approached her from behind, held her down by the back of her neck and raped her at the Rose M. Singer center on February 8.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10755219/Transgender-Rikers-inmate-incarcerated-assault-housed-womens-wing-RAPES-female-inmate.html

I missed this post earlier.

I used to think "It'll take something horrific happening to a woman to get things changed."
But it seems even that makes no difference as we see the increasingly frequent 'rare occurrences '.

This can't possibly be framed as anything other than a violent attack by a male.

I think that women mean so little to many TRAs - we are not male, we haven't even bothered to 'transition' to become weaker males, that we just don't count.

In the Brave New World there are men and transwomen at the top, then transmen, then menstruaters/breeders/cervix havers, who are only good for bringing forth the next generation.

If women did matter, we would have been listened to before now.

They've tried homophobia and racism, against anyone standing up for female rights, despite the accusations being transparent nonsense.

I wonder what accusation will be next??

I think it was posted a few pages ago that the only legislation on this subject is the 2010 Equalities Act.
Categories covered:
Types of discrimination ('protected characteristics')

It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:

age
gender reassignment
being married or in a civil partnership
being pregnant or on maternity leave
disability
race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation.
I wonder how many cases of which category have been brought and how many were successful.

It is also unlawful to discriminate against anyone for believing that transwomen are not women.