A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Like Dinamho I live outside the UK, but after 40 years and more here, I have learned to manage without the things I knew in the UK or I have found acceptable substitutes here.

I have just checked "The English Shop" website (I use the one in Bonn but Mail order, if necessary, from the main store in Cologne). They seem to have plenty of stock but I'm not sure if that will deplete once the goods bought before Christmas get sold out.

The only thing I really miss from the UK are smoked haddock and Wensleydale cheese, but the import of these was prohibited before Brexit anyway.

Sorry to butt in there as I now see the thread has moved on to more serious issues

JackyB

Sorry to butt in there as I now see the thread has moved on to more serious issues

It doesn’t matter? everything is interesting.

So we are 9 days in and already businesses are demanding that the government looks at negotiating a brexitlite which includes the SM and CU..

Blimey I thought it would happen after a year but not 9;days.

I feel so sorry for them having to make it work and something that they almost certainly don’t want and didn’t vote for.

Whitewavemark2

The Parliamentary Brexit committee had plans for a 6 month in depth look at the Christmas Brexit agreement.

Rees-Mogg has shut the committee down, effectively preventing democratic scrutiny of the Brexit deal.

This populist government is suppressing democratic processes.

Was that a cross party committee?

After a while away, it’s interesting to see the ‘usual suspects still trying to justify their anger at losing a democratic vote buy searching msm for issues for validation.
No one expected sunny uplands on 1st January. To those who can remember...Was the transition into the Common market without issue for days/months even years? Was decimalisation smooth and without disruption or cost?
When you move to a new home do things magically fall into place and you know immediately where things are and how to use all them?
I do think that always looking for problems rather than opportunities must be quite depressing and especially with the current pandemic, should try to avoid.

JackyB I've been able to buy proper smoked haddock - not the dyed stuff - In Grand Frais. They also have a selection of non French cheeses, including truckles of cheddar and stilton.

The things that I buy from England are not, I imagine, available in an "English Shop"; for example Adaptil for my dog which costs twice the price here and a range of vitamin supplements. The only food item I buy is loose green tea which is a bit milder than the gunpowder green and China tea sold here.

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

The Parliamentary Brexit committee had plans for a 6 month in depth look at the Christmas Brexit agreement.

Rees-Mogg has shut the committee down, effectively preventing democratic scrutiny of the Brexit deal.

This populist government is suppressing democratic processes.

Was that a cross party committee?

I assume so.

Is it the one that was chaired by Hilary Benn I wonder.

Oh yes I bet it is. He is good isn’t he?

So remind me how did we cope before ?

Joelsnan Decimalisation was nowhere near such a problem as that facing the UK now. It did not hinder the import/export of goods and services although it did allow traders to round up when converting their prices. Same as happened when European countries converted their currencies to the euro. Short term gains made by some unscrupulous people.

I certainly don't remember our joining the Common Market as being that difficult. Quite the reverse. It opened up opportunities to the many rather than the few.

This is a totally different situation. The livelihoods of thousands of people are being affected.

The comparison with moving to a new house is facile.

Does Rees Mogg, as Leader of the House, actually have the power to abolish a Parliamentary Select Committee?

These committees, comprising experienced parliamentarians of all parties, are there to scrutinise legislation and government action, interrogate ministers, senior civil servants and others and hold them to account.

If Rees Mogg can get away with abolishing the Brexit Committee, can he also unilaterally abolish all the others?

varian

Does Rees Mogg, as Leader of the House, actually have the power to abolish a Parliamentary Select Committee?

These committees, comprising experienced parliamentarians of all parties, are there to scrutinise legislation and government action, interrogate ministers, senior civil servants and others and hold them to account.

If Rees Mogg can get away with abolishing the Brexit Committee, can he also unilaterally abolish all the others?

I need find the tweet and get a link. I’ll get back to you

Found it!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-committee-jacob-rees-mogg-eu-trade-deal-b1784512.html

No one expected sunny uplands on 1st January.

Well, that's very odd, Joelsnan, because the Leave campaigners never, in the course of their campaign, said anything about 'bumps' or difficulties', or mountains of extra red tape. It was sunlit uplands all the way. Easiest deal in history, 'no-one talking about leaving the single market' (that was a favourite of our latest ennobled Leave Liar),

The only people who pointed out the problems were Remainers who were dismissed with 'Project Fear'. Which has been shouted continuously for the last 4 years.

So will you Leavers stop trying to rewrite history to accommodate reality.

I do think that always looking for problems rather than opportunities must be quite depressing..

What is depressing is the fact that NO ONE has actually identified any 'opportunities'. It's not up to us Remainers to do it, you know, it's up to you lot.

So go on, tell us what wonderful opportunities are opening up. Silence on this will be taken as an inability to think of any.

(and please, no nonsense about freedom to trade with the rest of the world. We have been trading with the rest of the world all the time we were in the EU. Or had you failed to notice that little detail)

I find the fact that so many businesses are finding it very difficult to comply with the new forms needed and the journey time making sending fish etc all very sad. Even if there are some changes to try and help this situation it will be too late for many and it is often difficult to get back to how things were.
Dinahmo do you use the Bergerac Grand Frais? I find their fish is usually very good. I shall keep a watch and see if they are able to continue to have the Scottish smoked salmon etc.
Anyone coming to the EU for an extended stay needs to make sure they have enough medication with them as it seems UK prescriptions will no longer be dispensed in the EU.

Joelsnan

After a while away, it’s interesting to see the ‘usual suspects still trying to justify their anger at losing a democratic vote buy searching msm for issues for validation.
No one expected sunny uplands on 1st January. To those who can remember...Was the transition into the Common market without issue for days/months even years? Was decimalisation smooth and without disruption or cost?
When you move to a new home do things magically fall into place and you know immediately where things are and how to use all them?
I do think that always looking for problems rather than opportunities must be quite depressing and especially with the current pandemic, should try to avoid.

No one that I have seen, other than you, has referred to the leave/remain vote. I haven't come across anyone on here who isn't intelligent enough to know that is dead, we have left. What people are comparing are the lies, deceptions and hoodwinking with the actuality. You make it sound as if your idea of a "democratic" vote one where half the country (or more) are never allowed to speak again or hold an opinion about where we are now.

I think we have just seen an example of where that leads. It is surely time those who voted to leave forget the referendum and get on with our future and the issues arising from our new relationship. It is perfectly democratic for people to call out the misinformation people were fed by comparison to the actuality.

It is undemocratic to try to silence them doing so.

Oh dear, I am more than happy for you all to wallow in your misery. It is much brighter for those who can look at this status as an opportunity, people who are not averse to change and can move on .
Those who say joining was not an issue and decimalisation too have selective memories to try to support their current arguments.

Welshwife Sat 09-Jan-21 11:46:31
I find the fact that so many businesses are finding it very difficult to comply with the new forms needed and the journey time making sending fish etc all very sad.

It is just another example of how incompetent this government is. Brexit or no brexit the government should have had this sorted. It is now about whether having made a complete pig's ear of a trade agreement, allowed far more people to die than a country like our should during Covid and allowed the change in status re the EU to go ahead with too little information for businesses is actually in any way proficient enough, skilled enough or knowledgeable enough to move us forward.

They say Trump could not take a written briefing; they had to read it to him inserting the word "Trump" often enough to keep his attention. I worry that we also have people who just don't have the capacity to deal with all they have brought on us.

Joelsnan

Oh dear, I am more than happy for you all to wallow in your misery. It is much brighter for those who can look at this status as an opportunity, people who are not averse to change and can move on .
Those who say joining was not an issue and decimalisation too have selective memories to try to support their current arguments.

I'll take that as a 'NO', then, Joelsnan.

You've no idea of what wonderful opportunities are in store.

Talk of 'selective memories' is a bit rich coming from people who don't seem to be able to remember the lies they were told 4 years ago and who try to pass off the warnings given by Remain and firmly dismissed as 'Project Fear', as 'We knew it wasn't going to be easy'. Because if you did 'know' that it certainly wasn't your 'side' that was telling you; it was us...

And now you're complaining that we're not happy about it.. Jeez...

Joelsnan

Oh dear, I am more than happy for you all to wallow in your misery. It is much brighter for those who can look at this status as an opportunity, people who are not averse to change and can move on .
Those who say joining was not an issue and decimalisation too have selective memories to try to support their current arguments.

Being pragmatic is not wallowing in misery. Get rid of the idea leave voters are special; they are not. They will live, die, go without, attain, just as everyone else will. However, that fall from the Emperors' new horse many not do them any good at all. Stop puffing out your chests - you just become the vision of a little person with a big ego - and look at the situation for what it is.

Of course it is an opportunity but not one the leave voter can take while they are so busy attacking other individuals in this democracy where all votes are equal but can change in the future. I can see leavers them still talking about the vote and being as insulting as they can get away with in another four years and possibly another four after that. Perhaps, and I say this very gently, it is time you moved on to what is happening now and in the future rather than the past.

The problem for those who still try to defend the worst mistake this country ever made, is that it is all too easy to find bad news about brexit and well nigh impossible to find any good news.

No wonder Joelsnan is struggling.

I think that posters talking of "bumps in the road" are missing the bigger picture. There are certainly short-term issues that can and will be solved. The real issue is that when you make trade harder by increasing regulation, you cause your market to shrink. We saw the rise in UK economic prosperity that came with the opening up of the single market, it is therefore pretty obvious that leaving it will cause economic decline. I have yet to see anything that convinces me that people on Gransnet being positive and "not averse to change" will make a blind bit of difference to the economic impact. It might mean that you are resolutely cheerful about making your children and grandchildren poorer, but frankly I find it hard to understand that point of view.

Joelsnan, I am old enough to remember both the events you mentioned particularly decimilisation, which as you so rightly said pushed all prices up, some sky high, having of course been promised that levelling out would be downwards! Err NO! What I remember mostly was the price of meat especially NZ lamb, and being suddenly aware that the price of joining the Common Market was the abandonment of the Commowealth in favour of Europe. What a shameful thing to do and being unaware I'd voted for it! price rises were a problem, but in time it sorted out.

Joelsnan

Oh dear, I am more than happy for you all to wallow in your misery. It is much brighter for those who can look at this status as an opportunity, people who are not averse to change and can move on .
Those who say joining was not an issue and decimalisation too have selective memories to try to support their current arguments.

Joelsnan your posts are sensible and a breath of fresh air, so welcome back to the forum.
I have long come to the conclusion that misery likes company and will be sought out eagerly.
Just over a week since we have been trading under different rules, and after so long doing things another way it’s bound to take some time.Most if not all, understand that.