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A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

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Dinahmo Thu 07-Jan-21 16:03:15

I've just been reading about the additional charges that people buying goods from the UK are having to pay on purchases arriving in EU countries. So much so that many retailers are no longer selling to people in the EU. The list is long but includes M & S, John Lewis and Fortnums. I buy a variety of things from the UK, including clothing and health supplements. I am no longer able to do this. But it's not just me and other Brits living abroad, it's everybody in the EU.

So, those cheesemakers will have a hard time and I will no longer be able to buy the very good quality cheddar from my local supermarket (which the French like to, not just Brits) because it will be too expensive.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 09-Jan-21 12:46:26

I can speak from the experience of the first five working days and so far in the business community that we belong to there have been a couple of small hiccups.

Companies still trading, fresh goods clearing customs into the UK taking an hour longer (approximately).

I thoroughly expect my observation/knowledge to be dismissed as anecdotal but hey ho!

Dinahmo Sat 09-Jan-21 13:03:18

Lemongrove and Joelsnan You assume far too much. I don't think that any of us are wallowing in misery. What we have done, are doing and will continue to do is to draw peoples' attention to what is actually happening.

Most people will get on with their lives and endeavour to be happy and make the best of things.

I think that Johnson early on in the pandemic should have delayed the final withdrawal from the EU. Workers and business owners have had enough to cope with during this period without the added aggravation that is now happening. He could have done it and the EU would have agreed. But no, his ego meant that he had to go ahead regardless.

As for the promised sunny uplands they're not going to happen with this current govt. Johnson has promised that there will be a green initiative and I have no doubt that the "promised" funds will go to his cronies.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 09-Jan-21 13:04:58

Democracy under pressure

Govt accused of undermining EU trade deal scrutiny, as
@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
shuts down Commons #Brexit committee independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-committee-jacob-rees-mogg-eu-trade-deal-b1784512.html…
More & more examples of
@BorisJohnson
Govt's power grabbing, dismantling of Parliament's sovereignty/our representative democracy. People wake up!

Dinahmo Sat 09-Jan-21 13:06:22

Welshwife GF at Perigueux. I'm hoping to pass by there during the coming week in order to buy some fruit for marmalade.

According to some I should not be thinking about a British food product but making do with a French substitute. Marmalade they cannot do, at least I haven't found any.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 09-Jan-21 13:08:19

Power grab by the U.K. government. You start with lies and end with a very British coup.

Prof Tanja Bueltmann

The problems in the US? They didn’t start with a violent mob storming the Capitol. They started with Trump’s lies and his hollowing out of democracy. Exactly what consecutive UK Governments have been doing for years. And Brexit is their tool to do it with.

Dinahmo Sat 09-Jan-21 13:08:30

GrannyGravy13

I can speak from the experience of the first five working days and so far in the business community that we belong to there have been a couple of small hiccups.

Companies still trading, fresh goods clearing customs into the UK taking an hour longer (approximately).

I thoroughly expect my observation/knowledge to be dismissed as anecdotal but hey ho!

Anecdotal is OK - we all speak from our own experience from time to time. However, the criticisms have been about delays in produce leaving the UK, not entering.

PippaZ Sat 09-Jan-21 13:12:11

This is a very interesting graph. It is easier to see in twitter
twitter.com/Usherwood/status/1345755484251443202/photo/1

How ever I have included it for those who can't see it.

Mamie Sat 09-Jan-21 13:17:44

Lots of sevilles here in Normandy Dinahmo. We are on our second batch. ?

PippaZ Sat 09-Jan-21 13:20:28

The tweet and graph above were flagged up in chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/ Two paragraphs give a flavour.

Moreover, from now on it will be possible to compare the realities of Brexit with what was claimed or promised for it. I don’t think that doing so amounts to “leap[ing] with glee onto every bureaucratic bump in the road out of Europe”, as counselled against by the columnist Clare Foges in a thoughtful article in The Times this week (£), and it most certainly isn’t, and shouldn’t be taken as, what she rightly calls “gruesome” relish in “businesses suffering or Leave-voting areas getting poorer”. Regular readers of this blog will know that I have repeatedly warned against that on grounds of both principle and political tactics.

Rather, it has two purposes, one being the primarily analytical one of making sense of events and the other the political one that it is legitimate and necessary to hold accountable those who made these claims and promises. Truth matters; at least I think it does, or at any rate that it should.

varian Sat 09-Jan-21 14:06:20

According to the brexit supporting Daily Express-

"Britons with Spanish holiday homes dealt unexpected tax bill"

www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/1381261/brexit-news-property-abroad-spain-holiday-homes-tax-EU-country-Europe

In fact there is nothing unexpected about this "swinging" tax rise as Brits with holiday homes in Spain were warned that this would happen if the UK left the EU and was therefore treated as a third country.

They were also warned that the time they were allowed to stay in these homes would be limited. They were warned, yet some ignored the warning.

Dinahmo Sat 09-Jan-21 14:29:04

I don't know about Spain but in France people who are not resident here will have to pay more in tax and social charges on rents from their holiday homes. That is assuming that they have declared the income in France and also, of course in the UK. In which case DTR will come into play.

Summerlove Sat 09-Jan-21 14:37:59

Joelsnan

Oh dear, I am more than happy for you all to wallow in your misery. It is much brighter for those who can look at this status as an opportunity, people who are not averse to change and can move on .
Those who say joining was not an issue and decimalisation too have selective memories to try to support their current arguments.

Which opportunities are you so optimistic about?

Maybe instead of putting people down as complainers, you can share your upsides

PippaZ Sat 09-Jan-21 14:47:43

Do let me recommend chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/ again, as he attempts to deal with the very attitude of leave voters that we have discussed above. He says:

Ever since the Referendum it seems as if Brexiters have both expected and needed those who disagreed with them to recant and to acknowledge that, after all, Brexiters had been right.

He points out that remain voters also try convince to leave voters that they made a mistake. However, he does not believe - as I said some days ago - that if we had stayed in the EU people would have been trying to convince leave voters to change their stance. Elsewhere he quotes a letter to the Times asking for unity “we should all of us be looking forward to the future and how we can now help our country succeed. This includes ‘remoaners’ who wish to wallow in the past.” This is so like the comments we see on here. Who writes such things and thinks they will bring unity?

He goes on to say Several factors lie behind this Brexiter need for affirmation. He suggests that these include insecurity, a lurking knowledge that what they have brought about is so damaging, and some ‘remainer negativity’ which has soured what was supposed to be a moment of triumph. He also suggests that some leave voters believe themselves to have been a ‘resistance’ movement that has enacted a national liberation, they expected the whole of the country to welcome it and cannot see why they don't. And for some of the most vociferous Brexiters that links to a populist authoritarianism, in which opponents are derided as traitors and saboteurs. This is where we come to what appears to be a demand for support of Brexit even going as far as equating the mob at the Capitol with those who campaigned peacefully for a second referendum

He continues Apart from being a morally contemptible and intellectually vacuous false equivalence, it is hardly likely to engender ‘togetherness’ and is ironic given that it was Nigel Farage who once threatened to “pick up a rifle” if a “proper Brexit” was not delivered, and that numerous Brexiters talked of riots and civil disorder in the event of another referendum. And, in case anyone has forgotten, the only example of lethal violence in relation to Brexit was the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox by a far-right terrorist.

It is certainly worth reading the full article. I think he is right in as much as we will not achieve any "coming together" while suggestions for such a thing are design to split people into two camps.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 09-Jan-21 14:57:25

My goodness so much of what he writes is resonant of Trumpland.

David0205 Sat 09-Jan-21 15:15:37

I would love to take up the opportunities of leaving the EU in fact I would be first in the queue, but at present I’m too busy finding out how much I am going to loose

Sparkling Sat 09-Jan-21 15:27:54

It’s early days. You can either live with it and see how things go, make the best of it. You can hanker after the golden days and become a persistent whinger. Change your buying habits is another option as is going to live in a country that has a more agreeable living standard.

varian Sat 09-Jan-21 15:37:01

Nigel Farage: ‘If Brexit is a disaster I’ll go and live abroad’

www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-if-brexit-is-a-disaster-ill-go-and-live-abroad/

MaizieD Sat 09-Jan-21 15:52:23

Sparkling

It’s early days. You can either live with it and see how things go, make the best of it. You can hanker after the golden days and become a persistent whinger. Change your buying habits is another option as is going to live in a country that has a more agreeable living standard.

That's rubbish.

It's my democratic right to whinge and I'll do it wherever I want to and for as long as I want to.

I love the 'hankering after golden days'. So you're actually acknowledging that Brexit has destroyed them grin

If I want to change my buying habits I prefer to choose to do it, not have unwanted change thrust upon me.

As to 'go and live in another country'; why didn't all you EU haters do it while we were under the dreadful yoke? The truth is that being in the EU didn't materially affect most Leavers in the slightest.

Galaxy Sat 09-Jan-21 15:54:16

Having

Galaxy Sat 09-Jan-21 15:54:47

Having a different opinion to you does not equal whinging.

petra Sat 09-Jan-21 15:59:26

Varian
Your right!! There wasn't anything unexpected about it. They were informed in Jan 2020.

MaizieD Sat 09-Jan-21 16:01:58

I like this, from Chris Grey's blog, flagged up by PippaZ above. I think it explains a lot, Galaxy

^Several factors lie behind this Brexiter need for affirmation. It is in part an insecurity, based perhaps on a lurking knowledge that what they have brought about is so damaging. Related to that, for some it is ‘remainer negativity’ which is the cause of any damage or, at least, which has soured what was supposed to be a moment of triumph. A stronger version of that is, to the extent that Brexiters believe themselves to have been a ‘resistance’
movement that has enacted a national liberation, they expected the whole of the country to welcome it, and are genuinely bemused that at least half the country does no such thing. And at least for some of the most vociferous Brexiters that links to a populist authoritarianism, in which opponents are derided as traitors and saboteurs.^

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2021/

sodapop Sat 09-Jan-21 16:16:38

Thanks MaizieD another whinger agreeing with you here smile

Pantglas2 Sat 09-Jan-21 16:27:53

petra

Varian
Your right!! There wasn't anything unexpected about it. They were informed in Jan 2020.

I agree Varian & Petra - there was nothing “unexpected” about this!

Most property owning Brits I know in Spain have taken residencia over the last four years so it won’t affect them as they’re obviously living in their properties and the few that haven’t (like me) will continue to abide with the 90/183 rule.

Lots rent of course, so they’ll hardly be bothered by non-residents taxes.

Dinahmo Sat 09-Jan-21 17:00:56

Another whinger agreeing with Chris Grey