A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

I left England back in 2010 before Brexit was on the cards. I think that I can complain about Brexit because I think it is harmful to the country. Although I live in France I am still English and always will be. It's in my DNA. Although right now I'm not proud to be British.

No one on here has complained about Mr & Mrs Joe Bloggs who live in Halifax and not considered ex-pats when they voted. However, I and many others wish that the Bloggs had not listened to all the lies that they were fed.

Actually, leaving the EU hasn't had enormous problems for me and the other Brits that I know. I complained on here about losing my Barclaycard which pissed me off because I found it useful. Obviously there's ways around its loss.

Most of us are retired and so receiving pensions from the UK and all of us will be affected by the poor exchange rate but there's not a lot that we can do about it.

I'm still working for clients in the UK, some of who are doing OK and others are having a hard time. I have complained on here about the treatment of the self employed - specifically those who have fallen through the net.

I'm going to keep pointing out the idiocy of Brexit until the day we go back in. Call that moaning if you like, I really don't care.

We’ll never rejoin - not in our lifetime anyway. It took 50 years to get us out!

Urmstongran ''I do recall a poster who regularly told us about isotope shortages but has never mentioned it since so I presume that hasn’t happened either? ''

been off GN for a few days, and it is amazing the gems I now find. You do realise that at the time, we were heading for a very likely No Deal, don't you? We do have a Deal now- my goodness it is a thin deal, very much a bad deal full to the brim with problems- many of which were predicted. Partly because Johnson never read the deal, and neither did some of his ministers.

But back to Isotopes - I think we are OK on that front at least for now. But does anyone have any factual information?

Kandinsky- that will be an interesting one for sure. As Projects Fear become, one by one, Projects reality, with many problems now added by this totally ridiculous Deal - then people might turn, big time. Fishermen, farmers, businesses of all types, small, medium and huge, and those workers who voted for better conditions who will end up jobless or with very reduced rights (as projected right now) and will see they have been 'fooled', and see the NHS crumbling the NI farmers and business men and women who lose their livelihoods and their workers too + the tensions rising again between the two communities, etc, etc- I fear there is trouble ahead very sadly.

As Johnson and co are planning right now to 'bleach out' workers' rights, this will create massive tension.

And of course, as far as the EU are concerned, lead to a direct challenge to the level playing field (fishing and now use of banned insecticides too) - and lead to a break up of the Deal and the application of massive tariffs.

So yes, no wonder some now say they do not want to discuss the issues.

I am not very computer savvy, but I wish I could have copied and pasted the 'Brexit voters Certificate' about them having won, and being 100% owners of all the good stuff currently coming out of it. Perhaps someone else can do it, for a well needed laugh.

Not at all MayBee70, I voted remain and it certainly wasn't hell or I wouldn't have done it....Durr. I didn't contribute to the 17.4 million that voted to leave but the other side won and we are where we are and there is nothing stopping you going to live in Europe, loads of Australians and Americans have been doing it for years and lots of people did long before we were part of the EU, my sister for example.

Dinahamo, Mr and Mrs Bloggs didn't vote to leave the EU because they were fed a lot of lies they voted to leave because we were constantly being rolled over by Brussels and now the EU have lost their second biggest economy, careless I think. I campaigned in the 2015 election and huge numbers of people that wouldn't vote Tory if you put them in front of a firing squad said they would because they wanted a referendum and wanted out of Europe and their reasons for that were extremely diverse. So this idea of a lot of ignorant people, voting for something they didn't understand is patronising and for the birds.

They weren't rolled over by Brussels...they were more than rolled over by WM .Border controls were in WM's power as was more than 90% of rules and regulations....its just that WM didn't use the power they had .Now they've torn up any rule book and are about to wreck lives and businesses ..well apart from the ones they've been throwing billions at during covid.
Britain was the sick man of Europe before it joined ,it will have that title again within months or less.So yea very well done to the people who were conned into voting out .

Mr and Mrs Bloggs didn't vote to leave the EU because they were fed a lot of lies they voted to leave because we were constantly being rolled over by Brussels.

That sounds very like the lies and the level of belief we see from Trumps followers. I appreciate that there are those who believe it - although they seem not to be able to put detail on their beliefs - and just like Tumpettes some will always believe it, but that still doesn't make it true.

I am baffled as to who WM are paddyanne? It seems extraordinary that should one voice an opinion with regards to Brexit one is accusded of being a Trump supporter . Most of what I have read on this thread is just nonsense purpetrated by people that live in Europe deeply annoyed that it has affected their lives. To me Brexit was sad and some what unbelievable but that was what the majority voted for and therefore it had to happen. We will make it work.

How rude.

I wasn't rude, your comment was ridiculous.

Most people who live in EU have family still in the U.K. and are very worried about them but also the country that most of us grew up in. Many people return frequently to visit family and friends.
I read an account today from a man who had a knee replacement in the EU just before Christmas. At his check up this week the surgeon told him he had been given a British made joint but the hospital were finding difficulty ordering more from the company as the company could no longer import into U.K. certain materials from the EU to continue making the joints.
This particular hospital were now looking to source their supplies from another EU country. A great shame that this is more lost business for Britain.

Of course it was extremely rude, and totally unfair.
Do you live abroadMayBee70, perhaps?

Yes, it is our children, grandchildren, close family and great friends who are affected- massively. and yes, a country we love, which is being taken to the cleaners by a few hugely rich people who truly don't care.

But in a way, you are right. I have fought this as hard as I could- because it is our country, and because of the above.

But for now, despite the fact we will be hit hard financially in in other ways- I am glad we are out of it. and glad our children and grandchildren have a pass out too. But it is hugely sad and disturbing.

A tiny majority of those who voted- and which by now, has been turned around just by demographics- and would never ever stand now as people see the reality. There was a very good reason, that ERG and co never wanted to allow for a second vote on the Deal. Even Rees Mogg admitted this.

But rude, very rude, yes, it is.

Most of what I have read on this thread is just nonsense purpetrated by people that live in Europe deeply annoyed that it has affected their lives.

What a strange conclusion to have come to.

I'm finding it very hard to believe that you voted Remain, Sunny82z. Why did you do that?

Most of what I have read on this thread is just nonsense perpetrated by people that live in Europe deeply annoyed that it has affected their lives..
Seriously, sunny ?!!

You're entitled to an opinion but have you not read the entire 19 pages of posts, because you seem to have missed the facts that most of the posters live in the UK - so you're clearly not grasping any facts. The OP lives in France and she quite properly comments on changes which have affected her since 31 December. She is giving anecdotal evidence of the way that she has been affected and most of us find that interesting. Others are discussing the availability of some vegetables and changes in shopping - random chat about everyday life. If you don't like what you're reading, don't read it. No one needs to consider any drastic relocation-to-other-country arrangements to combat life's irritations, big or small - even if they were deliberately caused by the mindless stupidity of others. Why disparage other posters' comments and laud the brave new post-Brexit world when, you're unaffected by any changes..... but at the same time you claim to have voted Remain? Perhaps in saying this you're just hoping for an argument. Why not stop being so disrespectful to most people on this thread and just get off the fence. Sneering and disparagement hardly shows you as having much of an opinion, an ability to put any flesh on your bombastic view, or with anything much of value to add.

By the way, we all live in Europe...and if you live in the UK this includes you. Presumably you are criticising the comments made by a few on this thread who live in countries within the EU. As far as most people now know, the UK has left the European Union., not Europe - a move which would be much more of a geographical challenge.

Rather an exaggeration I think Sunny82z that those of us living in the EU are deeply annoyed. Did you not read my post where I said that leaving the EU hasn't had enormous problems for me and other Brits? I doubt that our lives have been affected more than those of anybody living in the UK and probably a lot less.

As I also said, I believe that Brexit is harmful to the UK and that is why I am very annoyed.

I think that the problem is that any factual information on the negative impact of Brexit is a threat to the armour of cognitive dissonance that surrounds some (by no means all) of the people who voted for it. This is why they attack those of us reporting real issues, however major or minor.
One might think that Brexit voters would simply be too busy enjoying the sunlit uplands to bother to respond to us, but it appears from threads like these not to be the case.

Mamie, of course Brexit voters are enjoying the fruits of Brexit! Who could think otherwise!

Sunny82z

I wasn't rude, your comment was ridiculous.

It is very rude. You had the chance to say why you disagree with the poster but you chose to throw in a derogatory opinion. Unless you say why you don't agree how can this be a discussion?

Sunny82z

I am baffled as to who WM are paddyanne? It seems extraordinary that should one voice an opinion with regards to Brexit one is accusded of being a Trump supporter . Most of what I have read on this thread is just nonsense purpetrated by people that live in Europe deeply annoyed that it has affected their lives. To me Brexit was sad and some what unbelievable but that was what the majority voted for and therefore it had to happen. We will make it work.

Perhaps it would help if you actually read the posts that make you so cross. No one was accused of being a Trump supporter. However, there is a way of thinking that is common to both sections of the Trump supporters and some groups of those voting to leave the EU. If you disagree then say why and in what way they all differ. There have been plenty of posts on here to say why groups of voters in the USA and the UK show a common profile.

WM is Westminster, I think.

So Alexa if Brexit supporters are "enjoying the fruits of Brexit", why spend time coming on a thread to argue (and in some cases sneer at) those of us who are impacted by the downsides. It really isn't very nice, is it?

I wait with bated breath to read all about how Brexit has made Europe eavers more prosperous.

leavers

Alexa

I wait with bated breath to read all about how Brexit has made Europe eavers more prosperous.

I shall die if I bate my breath for much longer...

Leavers will be delighted, of course. One less moaner to get angry about

Regions where voters have more neurotic personality traits were more likely to vote for Donald Trump in the United States or for the Brexit campaign in the United Kingdom, revealing a new trend that could help explain the rise of fearmongering populist political campaigns across the world, according to new research.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180308190807.htm

An interesting study from 2018.

It would be interesting to see an update on the consequences of Trump and brexit and whether these people feel better or worse.