A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Scottish Fishermen’s letter to Johnson.

He lied didn’t he

SFF letter to PM: “You and your Government have spun a line about a 25% uplift in quota for the UK, but you know this is not true, and your deal does not deliver that...”

I am not entirely sure the Conservatives will be ousted at some point. Fascism and ultra- nationalism are increasing worldwide.
Covid and environmental degradation inspire fear, and people tend to look inward to their own interests and towards people they perceive to be like themselves.

I'm not so sure Alexa. I think that Keir Starmer could well turn things around by the next election and BoJo will have long since have got fed up and bored by then.

It would be amazing if the Conservatives got yet another five years to add to their total!
Keir Starmer would be, if not a ball of fire, then a safe pair of hands from what I have seen so far, as long as he doesn’t listen too much to those on the far left.

Yes, but have we not been sold off by the Conservatives to the US? If so we are in the power of their 2024 election and the magas won't be going away.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned. I am very concerned that the UK now intend to use chemicals which will affect bees in our country. They have not been able to use them before because they are banned by the EU. Bees are a major pollinator and we need to be protecting them.

It has been mentioned on another thread. I think it can only be used in certain circumstances and isn’t as bad as it seems. However I don’t actually trust this government to only do that and we need to keep an eye on what happens in the future.

It has been on a thread Sarnia but I can’t remember the thread title.
I think it was said that the chemical could be used for a short duration, at times, and that other countries in Europe had done so.
Search for bees/banned chemicals in the searchbar.

I’m not saying that every leave voter is racist but the ones I know are. I can’t unfriended them completely but it makes for very difficult situations where I have to walk away biting my lip.

I am with you on not enjoying the company of that type of person Maizie. It isn't fun, wincing when the offensive comments are slipped into the conversation.

It’s no longer enough to simply not be racist, ladies. It’s time that we start calling out racist behavior and being anti-racist.

It’s uncomfortable, But I imagine it’s far more uncomfortable for the people who are having racist things said about them.

Smileless2012

Very early days. It will take time to sort out these teething problems and as you say Urmstongran if there's goodwill on both sides that will speed up the resolution to these problems.

Shouldn’t it have all been sorted prior to the end date though?

That’s the part that gets me.

There were 4+ years to sort it. And it wasn’t

I'm sure many would agree about Keir Starmer being a safe pair of hands.

It would certainly have been better if the Conservatives had never listened to the far right in their party, but that deed is done. The FT revealed this morning (PW), that the government is drawing up plans to dismantle many European regulations, including the working time directive.

How often did we hear that this sort of thing would not happen and it was "Project Fear". It is time we were rid of a Conservative government driven by those without conscience.

I’ve had a post from yesterday deleted and a message to me to watch it. I’m absolutely mortified. My ‘personal attack’ was deemed offensive.

I’m truly sorry for upsetting anyone as it was never my intention and I apologise unreservedly.

I think it best that I no longer engage on this thread. It’s been some debate!

Again, please accept my sincere apologies.

The corrupt and inept Vote Leave government cannot be dislodged easily by the majority who never voted for them in the first place.

We are not the sort of people who would mount an armed insurrection.

We may have to wait until December 2025 unless they think it suits them to call an earlier election.

Our priority should be to campaign for constitutional reform which must include a change to fair elections under a system of proportional representation

Summerlove

*I’m not saying that every leave voter is racist but the ones I know are. I can’t unfriended them completely but it makes for very difficult situations where I have to walk away biting my lip.*

I am with you on not enjoying the company of that type of person Maizie. It isn't fun, wincing when the offensive comments are slipped into the conversation.

It’s no longer enough to simply not be racist, ladies. It’s time that we start calling out racist behavior and being anti-racist.

It’s uncomfortable, But I imagine it’s far more uncomfortable for the people who are having racist things said about them.

It depends on the situation though, doesn’t it. When you meet up with a group of people in your dog walking group and realise that a new member is a UKIP member it’s best to just avoid confrontation. I’m not someone that wants to make other people feel uncomfortable, especially the person who runs the group. I do stand up to people in some situations and it has often shocked people but there is a time and a place for everything. Also, some of these people are downright dangerous. Which doesn’t mean to say that I don’t stand up to such people at times.

I agree MayBee, if you are in danger or if it is risky to confront someone or you are vulnerable, better not to take a head on confrontation. But I would definitely avoid a direct answer, to avoid them continuing that conversation. Or I would deflect and change the subject.

If there were other people present, however, I WOULD now make a comment about inappropriate comments. One of my colleagues does it. If the boss isn't there, I tell him directly, I am not interested or I disagree with him. If she IS there, I change the subject or look at the ground to avoid joining in.

The thing is, my family are mixed race. I imagine racist comments being directed at my DGS. And I can't bear that thought so I stand up to racism for him.

After the election of Donald Trump in 2016, an American friend compared the nativist populism of the United States with the state of Brexit Britain. “You think it’s bad that Britain voted to leave the EU,” he told me. “America has voted to leave itself.”

Four years later, things look a little different. Having indeed taken leave of its senses, America has now been rescued – not for the first time – by its citizens of colour. Polling data shows that without minority-ethnic voters, many of whom had to overcome deliberate and systemic attempts to suppress their participation – the nation’s constitutional and political integrity would have endured a further four years of Trump’s wrecking ball.

Under cover of the past four years of regression, the British government has been running riot. However badly our leaders behaved, though, they knew there was a larger, more powerful democracy behaving even worse. Conservative attacks on the independence of the judiciary, for example, may represent an unprecedented assault on our constitution. But for Trump, lashing out personally at individual judges on Twitter became routine.

The British government’s relaxed attitude about violating international law has prompted the condemnation of nearly all living former prime ministers. But Trump led the way in tearing up international agreements and withdrawing from multilateral organisations.

Black voters drove Joe Biden's victory – and have offered this country a reboot

And then there is race. In Britain we have had to endure an equalities minister who suggests anti-racism reading materials are illegal in school, a foreign minister who derided Black Lives Matter as a Game of Thrones spoof, and Boris Johnson himself, as ready to insult black children in Africa as he was the black president in the White House. Vice-president-elect Kamala Harris is said to “hate” Johnson for claiming Obama held a grudge against Britain because of his “part-Kenyan” heritage. The prime minister’s comments have not aged well.

Afua Hirsch

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/12/donald-trump-brexit-britain-lonely-uk-white-house-ireland-india-jamaica

Unless you are in a way to influence parties other than the Conservatives, I agree Varian, proportional representation is the only thing we can work for at the moment.

You weren’t the only one Urmstongran about five of us have had posts deleted so somebody must have complained.
It’s very much a ‘reporting’ climate now on here, no need for apologies.I suspect other views are very much unwelcome unless the poster doesn’t support the Conservatives and is also somebody who liked the EU.
Perhaps best to leave it as an echo chamber for them.?

I'm a lefty remainer independence supporter and I've been deleted on several occasions.

What does that mean for the theory? ??

You weren’t deleted on this thread.Not talking about any old threads Algerias!

OK, fair enough. Maybe I'm just paranoid about being deleted.

Are you accusing Gransnet HQ of political bias then?

No.

I haven’t reported anything, but I can see why some posts were deleted on this thread, I commented a few pages back that I felt it was getting out of hand, and ducked out of commenting after that but continued to follow.

When you look back to which posts were deleted, they weren’t all Brexit supporting posts by any means, but they were all posts where personal remarks or patronising comments about people’s views were made. Doesn’t that just mean that the Gransnet moderators were doing the job they should be?

It became like that Casdon for a particular reason that I have already spoken of.
Therefore far better to leave this thread for those who voted Remain and are wanting to vent.