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A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

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Dinahmo Thu 07-Jan-21 16:03:15

I've just been reading about the additional charges that people buying goods from the UK are having to pay on purchases arriving in EU countries. So much so that many retailers are no longer selling to people in the EU. The list is long but includes M & S, John Lewis and Fortnums. I buy a variety of things from the UK, including clothing and health supplements. I am no longer able to do this. But it's not just me and other Brits living abroad, it's everybody in the EU.

So, those cheesemakers will have a hard time and I will no longer be able to buy the very good quality cheddar from my local supermarket (which the French like to, not just Brits) because it will be too expensive.

PamelaJ1 Mon 11-Jan-21 16:01:53

Dinahmo
I’m not sure what it does tell me.
Is it that those who voted remain are still very cross whilst those who voted leave are just getting on with life?
No one on either side can do much about it, leavers aren’t necessarily happy with the way it has all been handled but it’s done.
Covid hasn’t helped with the whole thing and we all have our views on how that has been handled too.
I certainly don’t have the answers but, as an optimist, have to hope and believe we will be fine.

Urmstongran Mon 11-Jan-21 16:05:43

Not me varian I’m more than happy to visit my second home as I live here.

David0205 Tue 12-Jan-21 09:01:42

Philippa111

I'm in Scotland and friends who would never in a million years have considered voting SNP are all changing their minds.
The words 'Down the tubes' come to mind.

The Scots should calm down and make the best of it like the rest of us, independence can only come with border restrictions. EU membership is an illusion that can only come with a “closed” border with England, EFTA membership is much more likely and subject to EU rules.

Just like Brexit it’s a double edged sword, even more complex now.

varian Tue 12-Jan-21 20:53:57

The brexit nonsense has certainly damaged the Scottish shellfish industry. So much for having Farage as our representative on the EU Fishing Committee. He cared so little about the Scottish fishing industry or the other UK fishing communities that he only turned up to one meeting out of 42. It is just ridiculous that that charlatan could ever have persuaded a single fisherman to vote leave.

www.euronews.com/2021/01/11/post-brexit-trade-fish-prices-collapsing-in-uk-as-red-tape-hits-exports-and-supply-chain

Urmstongran Wed 13-Jan-21 17:45:40

But there is also GOOD NEWS!

A Defra spokesperson said: “The practice of mutilating dogs’ ears is abhorrent and has rightly been banned in the UK for 15 years.

“We already have some of the world’s highest animal welfare standards. Now we have left the EU we have the opportunity to manage our own rules applying to pet travel movements into Great Britain, including considering the ban of imports of dogs with cropped ears.”

MayBee70 Wed 13-Jan-21 18:57:17

I have never seen a dog with cropped ears in this country. Not sure if any other gransnet dog lovers have ever seen one. The main country that does that is America, the country that we are supposedly planning to ally ourselves to.

Urmstongran Wed 13-Jan-21 19:40:43

It’s an illegal practice in Europe. It is of no benefit to the poor dog. But certain individuals prize a ‘tougher’ looking dog.

These pit pulls, boxers, mastiffs etc. have their ear flaps docked in say Russia and come through Europe.

Seems we can choose now not to let them in, as Defra says.

MayBee70 Wed 13-Jan-21 19:46:22

But it’s illegal to own a Pit Bull in the U.K. anyway.

Hetty58 Wed 13-Jan-21 19:53:51

Dinahmo, I thank you for your 'thank you' - and I'm sure that you really appreciate the amazing efforts to quickly vaccinate the UK population, unhindered by EU red tape.

I'm so glad that I don't have to wait for their shambolic scheme to be sorted out!

Urmstongran Wed 13-Jan-21 19:54:43

My mistake MayBee. Other dogs then. Can’t recall the breeds.

Hetty58 Wed 13-Jan-21 19:59:03

(graph)

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccination-europe-by-the-numbers/

MayBee70 Wed 13-Jan-21 20:01:34

I agree that it is abhorrent Urmstongran. And didn’t realise that it was fashionable to own dogs with cropped ears. I always know if a film is made in America when I see dogs such as Doberman’s with cropped ears. They also de claw cats in America. Are you sure that being in the EU prevented us from banning the import of dogs with cropped ears though?

Lucretzia Wed 13-Jan-21 20:05:53

MayBee70

I have never seen a dog with cropped ears in this country. Not sure if any other gransnet dog lovers have ever seen one. The main country that does that is America, the country that we are supposedly planning to ally ourselves to.

I've seen loads of dogs with cropped ears, I'm sad to say

It is a sight that we don't see very often these days but I knew a Doberman breeder whose dogs had their ears done at about 12 weeks old. People will still purchase these dogs from overseas as it's still seen as the done thing o-0

I owned a rescue Jack Russell who had had her tail docked. By some do it yourself idiot by the looks of it.

Awful practice

That aside, we're doing exceptionally well with the vaccine.

Lucretzia Wed 13-Jan-21 20:07:52

This explains how dogs can be imported and how the RSPCA was trying to stop it.

www.rspca.org.uk/-/news-petition-to-ban-importing-dogs-with-cropped-ears

Sparkling Wed 13-Jan-21 20:09:37

Those poor dogs. People that do that are simply disgusting and thank goodness I’ve never seen the cropped ears, tge people that do that to dogs should not be allowed to keep animals and have enormous fines and named and shamed.

Urmstongran Wed 13-Jan-21 20:17:12

Currently, it is illegal to crop dogs' ears in the UK, but Russia, the USA and some European countries allow it, making it an attractive choice for potential owners to import cropped dogs from there.

A Defra spokesperson said: “The practice of mutilating dogs’ ears is abhorrent and has rightly been banned in the UK for 15 years.

“We already have some of the world’s highest animal welfare standards. Now we have left the EU we have the opportunity to manage our own rules applying to pet travel movements into Great Britain including considering the ban of imports of dogs with cropped ears.”

Ear cropping is becoming more of a trend in the UK, as celebrities and sportspeople share pictures of their cropped dogs on social media.

A spokesperson from the British Veterinary Association (BVA) explained: "A rise in celebrities and sportspeople in the UK owning and sharing images of these breeds on social media [is fueling the rise].

Hetty58 Wed 13-Jan-21 20:44:32

I disagree with any mutilation of animals.

It's interesting that those countries where dogs are not neutered (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Switzerland) have fewer problems with strays, healthier pets and less veterinary interventions.

Yet - we're supposed to be a nation of animal lovers?

dogsfirst.ie/health-issues/dog-neutering/?fbclid=IwAR1hbAhh5C0UeucT7MRuzMmcHylOHhbmKZl4h1xF8WZMNH8XAZmi9bqY4iE

varian Wed 13-Jan-21 21:16:53

Teething problems? Is BJ confusing serious politics with the problems of his latest baby

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-food-supply-northern-ireland-b1786629.html

MayBee70 Wed 13-Jan-21 22:14:33

Hetty58

I disagree with any mutilation of animals.

It's interesting that those countries where dogs are not neutered (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Switzerland) have fewer problems with strays, healthier pets and less veterinary interventions.

Yet - we're supposed to be a nation of animal lovers?

dogsfirst.ie/health-issues/dog-neutering/?fbclid=IwAR1hbAhh5C0UeucT7MRuzMmcHylOHhbmKZl4h1xF8WZMNH8XAZmi9bqY4iE

I think that’s only early neutering though: something that some vets seem to pressurise people to do. I’ve had two bitches develop pyometra, one of them almost died and was never healthy again so I would always advocate spaying from bitches that aren’t going to be bred from. But only after they’ve had one or two seasons and certainly not until they’re fully grown. I’m not sure about dogs as I’ve only ever had bitches but you’d assume it’s best to wait until they’re at least 1 or 2.

varian Thu 14-Jan-21 08:46:39

Deliveries to the UK stopped by brexit beurocracy

www.ft.com/content/27069111-be39-446f-8cf1-ed216400b171

MaizieD Thu 14-Jan-21 09:38:11

varian

Deliveries to the UK stopped by brexit beurocracy

www.ft.com/content/27069111-be39-446f-8cf1-ed216400b171

It's behind a paywall, varian.

Cindersdad Thu 14-Jan-21 10:03:20

Though I have not yet been affected by Brexit I have always said that it was and continues to be a colossal mistake. Over the coming months it will strike home though masked by Covid affecting more of us. In some ways I hope it goes badly and the government is forced to beg to rejoin, with or without a referendum. That will have to wait for Covid to be largely controlled and the Brexiteer bunch consigned to history.

We need a coalition government made up of pragmatic members from across the political spectrum followed in due time by a general election held on a fair votes basis. Wishful thinking but the Trumpian government here cannot fully distance itself from the disasters of populism. Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other high profile Brexiteers need to be made accountable, some of their colleagues may be redeemable. As for the likes of Nigel Farage, Jabob Rees Mogg, Aaron Banks, Steven Baker and ERG MP's they should at least be barred from holding office for life. They only wanted a low tax country at any cost and did not care who they hurt in the process.

I do believe in Free Speech and democracy but with that must come honesty, objectivity and compassion plus accountabilty for misleading the public. You can forgive genuine mistakes in time but deliberate well thought out destruction of democracy can never be forgiven. Dominic Cummings and Cambridge Analytica have a great deal to answer for here and in America. Witch hunt may be but a line has to be drawn somewhere, some of them have crossed the lines of democractic administration.

MaizieD Thu 14-Jan-21 10:15:41

Well said, Cindersdad ???

varian Thu 14-Jan-21 10:23:01

German logistics group DB Schenker on Wednesday became the latest major parcels operator to suspend cross-border delivery services because of new red tape and customs paperwork imposed by Brexit.

The company added that the postponement would continue “until further notice” while it mobilised more staff to help with completing paperwork correctly.

A spokesman for the company in Berlin said there was no immediate clarity on when services would restart, adding that only 10 per cent of shipments were accompanied with the correct paperwork.

Last week another major international delivery company, DPD, suspended deliveries from the UK to the EU, saying that up to 20 per cent of parcels had incorrect information attached.

In a statement DPD blamed “challenges” with the government’s New Computerised Transit System (NCTS) since January 1, when the EU-UK post-Brexit trade deal came into force. The company has said it will review the situation on Friday.

In a note issued to customers the company said it was suspending shipments from the EU to the UK blaming the “enormous bureaucratic regulations” created by the post-Brexit trading arrangements that had left recipients in the UK unable to handle shipments in a “legally compliant manner”.

lapmjournal.co.uk/brexit-forces-german-logistics-group-to-suspend-uk-deliveries/

Alegrias1 Thu 14-Jan-21 10:49:25

David0205

Philippa111

I'm in Scotland and friends who would never in a million years have considered voting SNP are all changing their minds.
The words 'Down the tubes' come to mind.

The Scots should calm down and make the best of it like the rest of us, independence can only come with border restrictions. EU membership is an illusion that can only come with a “closed” border with England, EFTA membership is much more likely and subject to EU rules.

Just like Brexit it’s a double edged sword, even more complex now.

David0205, I hope you don't think I'm stalking you but here we go again. A phrase like The Scots should calm down and make the best of it pretty much encapsulates why many if us want to be off.

Who are you to tell me to calm down? We've been told that for 300 years and its wearing a bit thin. We'll decide for ourselves, thanks.