Brexit dividing my family.

sharon - parents and grandparents thought the same and worried about the future of children during two world wars. We survived
I’m sorry to call this out again but please don’t say this. Millions did not survive the two world wars including members of my family. Please don’t insult them by comparing the self inflicted Brexit omnishambles to wars.

I am sorry your daughter has lost her job granh1

She is one of many who have already suffered because of brexit. If it is not stopped there will be many more, which is just one of the many reasons to vote for the candidate most able to beat the Tory in your constituency.

I think it is easy to 'respect other peoples views' until Brexit impinges personally. My daughter lost her job in UK/EU environmental research as a direct result of Brexit. When this was mentioned to family/friends there reaction was that it was nothing to do with their vote, and she would have to find another job. I find this blind spot between Brexit and what it means to peoples lives quite staggering.
Yes, Brexit has caused a rift in my family - despite giving my siblings the apology they demanded for questioning their vote, I see very little of them.
I live in a Leave area, so don't express my views so I don't upset neighbours and feel quite alienated from my community.
My daughter has requested that when we meet up after Christmas, could we not talk politics in front of the teenage grandchildren who are getting quite upset about it - what a legacy we are leaving!
At the end of the day, you can choose the people you have emphathy with, whatever their opinions, which overrides family.

We can sometimes change things. We have the opportunity next week to change things for the better.

I agree jennyvg Sat 07-Dec-19 13:47:23
We don't discuss Brexit among family or friends.
Whoever's voted in next week as Prime Minister will have to be accepted. Some of us will be pleased, some not. I still feel the arguments will carry on though regardless of the outcome.
I can't see why people are worrying so much about future generations. What will be will be. It's wasted energy. We can't change anything.
I'm sure parents and grandparents thought the same and worried about the future of children during two world wars. We survived.
The future is in the hands of the next elected government. We can only vote for who we think will give us the better future.

This information from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, was not available in 2016, but should be of interest to anyone interested in analysing information.

I voted leave after taking some time to consider the evidence. As a professional information analyst I believe I’m entirely capable of forming my own decision, which was connected to longer term economics and a belief that the U.K. is better determining its own destiny without interference. There was no racist element, no dislike of foreigners, nothing dishonourable at all. As we live in a democracy I have the right to form an opinion that may differ from another person. No one is right and no one is wrong - and isn’t that just what’s gone wrong? We’ve worked own way to only accepting what YOU believe as mattering.
There s some rather distasteful mud slinging in this forum. What are any of you gaining from it?

I think for us to stop brexit now would make UK look like it doesn’t know what it’s doing and like a bunch of idiots. We just need to get in with it now.

We are well past that.

I voted to leave the EU, my choice my decision, I am most certainly not racist, quite honestly I find it unbelievable that anyone would fall out with family and friends over something like this, grow up comes to mind!

I must admit @'Varvian' I am really not sure who to vote for but I am certain who I am Not voting for. How best to use my vote, is the question I suspect a lot of people are asking. Especially, if like me, you live in strong Tory constituency where the MP has done nothing but close hospitals, child care and services for the last 10 years and stick blindly to the party line regardless if it's what the people want.
The question I keep asking but get no answers, what is this election all about; is it to change the immediate social needs of our people after 10 years of Tory rule or Brexit. It seems those who only care about winning Brexit choose to ignore the neglect and harm the Tories have inflected on our country. They seem oblivious to the urgent needs of the vulnerable and make excuses for the hard working families who cannot feed their children.

What is going on here? How can we solve this? One thing for sure is that the Tories and their rallying cry to 'get Brexit done' is not the answer. If the majority of the elective members; our representatives, in both the House of Commons and the Lords voted against the Brexit plan three times, this included BJ, surely we should think that there must be something wrong with it. The MPs (for and against) must have felt it will not solve our immediate social needs or heal the country, but it may make it worse.

We must elect MPs we trust to examine all the options and make judgements on how best to respect the will of the people, not just those who voted to leave or those who voted to remain but the people who choose not to vote because they were unsure of the mixed messages they heard.
These same MPs must also work to address our immediate social needs and aim to make this a more fairer democratic country. The burden of responsibility is ours in the first instant by electing the MP, no easy task.

Our democracy was totally corrupted by the fraudulent referendum which was won by lies, cheating and foreign interference.

Because of the proven illegality it would have been annulled had it been mandatory, but was not annulled because it was only advisory.

There is no reason for anyone to respect the result of a fraudulent referendum. It has damaged our democracy.

Those who call the Remainers "losers" are indulging in childish playground bullying "we won, you lost - ha ha ha".

This is not a game. If it is not stopped, brexit will badly affect the future of our children and grandchildren and has already cost us billions and our international reputation has been irrevocably damaged.

A senior British diplomat in Washington has quit her post, saying she is no longer prepared to "peddle half-truths" about Brexit on behalf of a Government she does not trust.

Alexandra Hall Hall, the lead envoy for Brexit at the British embassy, accused ministers of using "misleading or disingenuous" arguments about the implications of leaving the EU.

The results of a football / rugby match are nothing like the results of a brexit..
That will last for decades and I happen to think with no benefits what so ever
So to compare sport tribalism to brexit / remain tribalism... Well nothing like the same impact.

Agree with @Authoress. Leaving the EU is not something that can be turned round with another General Election vote in 5 years - once we've left, we'd never get as good a deal to join again. And it's not like which football team you support - that doesn't affect people's lives the way that leaving the EU will. The big difference I notice between Leavers and Remainers is that Leavers think everything is going to be fine but Remainers know it won't be. That's why Remainers are so upset.

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@leyburn. I agree. I wanted to remain but I respect the outcome. I think for us to stop brexit now would make UK look like it doesn’t know what it’s doing and like a bunch of idiots. We just need to get in with it now.

Just been for a walk in our local park. A huge red bus plastered with 'STOP BREXIT' blocking the car park and taking up lots of car spaces. The people with this bus had placards that they were then waving in front of people's faces as they walked past! Very few people interacted with them. Come Thursday I hope the majority of voters do the same.

BREXIT hasn't caused division, refusal to accept a democratic vote has.

I think the PR team is on a coffee break ?.

Every time you vote in an election you are voting for something that impacts on people's lives because that is what elections are for. Brexit may remove "free movement", it won't remove movement between countries nor will it mean there will be no opportunity for young people to move abroad and take up posts there. There will certainly be more paperwork and more of a process to go through but we we were able to go to other countries before the EU and that won't change. It was harder when some countries were ruled by dictators but that isn't the case now.
I can't believe how intransigent most Remainers are. I don't know of any Leavers who have cut off Remainers because they have the temerity to vote differently but the same can't be said the other way round. It strikes me that the only thing Leavers have to do is Remain Quiet about how they voted because of the way they are vilified. My family are a mixture of Leave, Remain and Don't Know but we like each other enough to respect their views.

Trying living in the states. So much hate because of Trump. Friends screaming over dinner at others who love him. People leaving long friendships because of him. My friends daughter and her mom don’t talk because the daughter can’t believe her mom still likes him. I understand and sympathize with your situation.

I'm Scottish and here I have not seen much evidence that those who voted leave did it because of racism. Farage and his ilk get almost no attention paid to them in Scotland, in fact we are very welcoming to incomers. In the last week alone a Brazilian and a Chinese separately told me how much they loved Glaswegians and how welcome they feel here.
Of more concern to Scots are subjects like having the right to our fish stocks.

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Mazied - grow up. Think you need to go to mumsnet with your attitude. I’m allowed an opinion and my opinion is this is not a genuine post. The fact it bothers you so much is suspicious in itself. Have you been planted on here by the or team to get rid of the likes of me?

Shocking aggression as usual from the losing side...

We were taught to debate at school and political debating was a big feature of university life.

Some people never seem to have learned how to debate, how to understand the difference between arguing about facts and opinions. Facts can usually be checked out, although in our era of fake news and propaganda it has become more difficult.

To the people who say "I had my reasons for voting the way I did three and a half years ago and I'm sticking to my decision", I would ask "Have you learned nothing in the last three and a half years?".

Most of us have learned a great deal more, and one of the things we should have learned is that it was absurd to ask for a simple yes/no answer to a very complicated question. Have you never, having discovered you might have been misled or based your decision on poor information, then later changed your mind about anything?