Shemima Begum

I think there is a big difference between where journalists can go, and choose to risk their own lives and where a government can order its employees to go.

There are also different attitudes to each of these groups of people. I think the chances of any of the groups involved in controlling territory/refugee camps making a special effort for just one refugee, with or without a child, is very, very small, what is one among so many?

On the other hand a rescue convoy going in prepared to bring 100s of refugees out is very different, but I think the difficulties of organising such a convoy and deciding who would be taken out would make it impossible.

Although I think this young woman should not be deprived of her British citizenship and that each case should be judged separately, I don't think we should be in any rush to bring her back, particularly if this would put someone else's life in danger. Her family could have made arrangements for her return (but that is a hypothetical discussion now).

I certainly do not think that any journalist should take any more risks by attempting to bring her home - why would they when, as Caledonia1 points out, they are faced with sick children, traumatised and abused women every day, begging for just their child to be helped?

I believe in fair justice but not that this woman deserves special favours just because her case has been publicised.

This link is the interview that a young Yazidi girl, Noor, gave to Open Your Eyes, following her escape from ISIS in 2015. It tears your heart apart. These are the real women that we should be desperately trying to get out of Syria and the camps.

openyoureyes.net/yazidi-woman-that-escaped-isis-tells-her-story/?c=15

I saw newsreel in the last few days showing a few Yazhidi women coming out of the village where ISIS are making their last stand. As soon as they got out of the lorries they were tearing off their big black shrouds and throwing them on the ground and stanping on them.

Worryingly, the ISIS women were shoutinga dn defient and picking up sand and stones to throw at the journalists and photographers. Some of the children were chanting all that they had been taught, but I do think that they are young enough to be taught to think differently.

Most tragicaly, there are about 5,000 Yazhidi women still missing, and must now be presumed to have been kiled.

Worryingly, the ISIS women were shoutinga dn defient and picking up sand and stones to throw at the journalists and photographers.
Yes, I saw that too M0nica and found it very disturbing.

This link is Munira's story. She is also a Yazidi. She and her 6 year old sister were taken by ISIS and sold to a 60 year old man who raped them. When he was fed up with them, he sold them on to another man who was worse. 50,000 Yazidi people were terrorised by ISIS; these are the stories of just 2 of them.

openyoureyes.net/munira-escaped-isis-captivity-and-abuse/?c=15

If I knew that I could safely get a young woman out the Syrian refugee camps, it would be someone like Noor or Munira; not someone who had willingly gone there to support the very people who tortured these 2 and the 50,000 others like them.

Do you not think that Noor and Munira would want us to take back OUR criminals/terrorists rather than strand them abroad where appparently victims matter less. Lives matter less. And because we prefer British terrorists to be their problem, not ours?

By washing our hands of OUR criminals/terrorists and stranding them, stateless, in war torn countries. We are saying to the likes of Noor and Munira that we dont care what they did or will do to you, so long as they arent OUR problem any more. Out of sight out of mind. Happy days.

If that's the way you see it notanan.........

Personally, I think you're wrong, but I respect your right to your opinion.

notanan2 is quite right. But how do you see it Chewbacca? Is it OK to rescue one woman like Noor or Munira and simply ignore the deaths of all the others? Or should we take proper responsibility bring home all the British Daesh fighters and subject them to a proper justice system where their crimes will be dealt with. Leaving them in the camps will just prove to others that we take no responsibility for the area and may lead to even more unrest and even more terrible events.

trisher, I was originally a "leave them there to rot"!!

After research and reading we have no choice other than to bring them back to UK, so they can be prosecuted and serve their time in prison.

These people would have to be closely monitored as a lot of radicalisation occurs whilst in UK prisons.

Our prisons are over 80% full of terrorists/radicals not including those who are awaiting trial.
The prisons are already being run atrociously with the aftermath of Graylings efforts and with the present minister being engulfed in the Brexit debacle nobody seems to be caring about anything outside Brexit.

MP's don't do multi-tasking as has been proven so the prospect of thousands of radicals et- al being monitored whilst in prison when there's a shortage of prison officers is a resounding no.

More work for our already depleted police force too ?

EllanVannin it would undoubtedly cost to do what we should. This government is of course committed to cuts in services, we see the results of this on our streets. Unfortunately we may see even worse consequences worldwide and particularly in the Middle East.

The UK prison population is 83,618 of which about 150 are convicted on terrorist offences.

How does that equate with over ‘80%’ Ellan?

I suggest to research your stats better. That works out at less than 0.2% ?

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terrorist convictions uk

0.27%

Spreading misinformation is to be deplored.

I imagine that a bomb, a stabbing or a lorry driven into any of the other 99.8% is still dangerous.

You are presumably talking about the remaining 99.8% of the prison population Urmston? What’s that got to do with anything except that 99% of U.K. prisoners are homegrown.

Can you please explain your point more clearly?

The development of this thread over the past week or so has been very interesting. Initially, many people, understandably wanted SB to be left 'to rot' where she is, alongwith all the other British jihadis. We all abhor their crimes, their philosophy, and all surely are repelled and disgusted by what has been done to the Yazidi people, especially the women and children. Emotions run high as mention is made of atrocities and deaths here and in Europe. But, then, slowly, we have (mostly) realised just how difficult a moral problem this is, there can be no better place to foment hatred and further jihadi recruitment than a deprived, desperate, stinking camp with little food and facilities, a place where children are dying. So, how to repatriate individuals? Each country cannot just go in, select their own 'homegrown' terrorists, bring them home, subject them to the full force of the law and hopefully re-integrate them so they are not a threat anymore. If only it was that simple. I think what I am trying to say is that after the initial knee jerk reaction which many of us had, we are beginning to realise that it is a very difficult problem albeit one that has to be solved.

Sorry Anja maths was never my strong point! I didn’t realise you had meant 0.2% of the prison population.

I suppose though that my point still stands - that a few bad apples (however tiny a number) can cause untold misery by their terrorist actions to all of us. Here in Manchester we have recent evidence of those atrocities.

No wonder the public are wary of certain people and some are here on this forum voicing their concerns.

I’m open to people voicing their concerns Urmston. I used to love near Tarleton, the village in West Lancs where the 8-year old victim of the Manchester bombings lived.

My concern is that EV has posted some completely wrong information on this thread and that is unacceptable. I’m hoping she realises her mistake and that she will acknowledge this.

How on earth do you know our prisons are 80% full of terrorists EV?

Or that we are/were at war with Iraq and Afghanistan? Surely we can't just come on here and make things up because it suits us?

I think Anja has disproved the first alleged point Lily65.

Oh OK, fair enough.