Being right more important than what's right.

It’s what happens when the division is simply a whisker apart and when so many lies are told to the general (sometimes not too knowledgable) public and when the media is run by multi millionaire fascists
Unfortunately killing my country for the next generation

It’s the vile abuse being directed towards those who voted for democracy that bewilders me. What on earth has happened to this country?

The whole brexit project, relentlessly promoted over forty years by an unholy alliance of sinister vested interests, is not right. It is harmful to our country. It will hurt our children and grandchildren, depriving them of so many benefits that we have enjoyed as Europaens. It is totally utterly wrong.

What absolutely puzzles me is as far as I can see the brextremists are only a small minority in Parliament. And yet they seem to have such a large profile.

What those who supported Brexit conveniently forget is that theirs was not a landslide victory. They squeaked in at the last minute with a small majority.

There are nearly as many Remainers in the country as there are Brexiteers and the cavalier way the Brexiteers have ignore this, does them no credit whatsoever. I hope, had the the decision gone the other way, those voting remain would pay more respect to the views of their opponents.

It was a small majority vote. The Leave and Remain campaigners did not address the issue of what happened after the outcome of the vote, particularly if the outcome was Leave.
Cameron promised a referendum as a sop to his right wing. He never dreamed the outcome would be a narrow margin for Leave. Both campaigns left a lot to be desired but the Leave campaign peddled lies and misled people into believing the NHS would benefit and immigration be slashed. Sadly, the Remain campaign was ineffective in challenging the misleading information being put out by the Leave campaign. The Remain campaign failed to address the real costs of a Leave vote to our social and economic situation.
I don't understand why the OP believes "they want to bankrupt us and bring us to our knees". Who are these people? I'd say it's the Leavers not the Remainers.

People only had a binary choice - leave or remain, they weren’t given a choice of terms. Now Parliament is trying to determine those terms and not be railroaded into the Brextremist option via an incompetent leadership. This is surely democracy.

Whitewave there is no democracy in a desision built on blatant lies Farage et al killed democracy in our country

blue sorry to confuse. I was talking about the rebels who voted for democracy in parliament and have suffered such vile abuse from Brexiters. Death threats etc. Glad to hear that the police are involved

I really can't agree with the OP. "they want to bankrupt us". It is the Brexit process that is bankrupting us. The pound dropped and jobs are going solely because of the Brexit vote. "There's nothing worse than a bad loser and a bully". Brexiters are bad winners and bullies. I have had Brexiters being really rude and aggressive to me because they won. It was a very close vote, nearly half the country voted Remain. No-one voted for hard Brexit which the Government are going for - it was not an option in the referendum.

QY last night Oakeshott accused Morgan of humiliating the PM.

Oakeshott exposed Cameron and his se Hal encounters with a pig.

Is that humiliating enough for you.

What barefaced hypocracy

Sexual - not what the iPad decided it was!

It does not matter that the vote was only won by a million and a half votes, would we say that in a GE? No, we wouldn’t.
However, what matters is that Parliamment actually puts the future good of the UK in front of their own views and party politics and honours the pledge by them to leave the EU, and in the best way.
So far T May and team have done a good job, particularly with reference to Ireland, but the harder phase comes next.

Typo, Parliament.

Good job what planet are you on lemon

By no measure can this government be praised as doing a good job.

I wouldn’t hold your breath about country over self interest either.

Agreements were made for the first phase, were they not?
Negotiating with the EU was always going to be like packing live eels into a sock.

But those first phase agreements - we don't know if they are binding or not - D Davis doesn't know either.

Agreements with the EU are always on a ‘nothing is agreed finally until everything is agreed’ basis, but there is no reason to think it will go pear shaped at the stage we are at now.Anything else is just conjecture.

I don't know why, but I am frequently reminded of the the final chapters of the last book in the Narnia series. Anyone else who has read it might recall the monkeys who were unable to see that the interior of the dirty stable in which they sat had turned into what was clearly meant to be 'heaven'. Trapped by their thoughts and beliefs they couldn't see the wonderful landscape around them, just the dirty stable.

I've no doubt that Leavers and Remainers will apply this analogy in different ways to themselves and their vision of what is happening at the moment. I see a little huddle of monkeys blinded by their self deception...

The Independent is reporting this morning that talks about future trade relationships with the EU won't be happening until March. As it's all supposed to be done and dusted by October yet it's taken us 9 months already to crawl a few inches into negotiations. I find this terrifying rather worrying...

We're on the road to hell thanks to the brain dead bigotted brexiteers.These people had to idea the ills of the country were all down to Westminster ...not the EU .If I was 40 years younger I'd pick up my children and take them somewhere they'd have a future they sure as hell wont have one here.These "brexiteers" wanted sovereignty..something they already had ....and when it was exercised in Parliament they are sending death threats...honestly? Its like watching the rednecks that voted for Trump trying to put a sentence together and just about managing "make America great" .Unbelievable that the world is so full of ignorant people ,sadly it wont just affect them ..we're all dragged down with this madness!

Luckylegs

I understand your point and I agree with a lot of your sentiment but I fall short of using the word treachery. My post is regarding 'democracy' .

I say this as a person who voted Remain by a whisker. I have been shocked by the ease the Referendum result is trying to be negated by so many .

I am left with no other impression than democracy and having a democratic vote means absolutely nothing in some quarters any more. What for example does the comment,
'I accept the result, BUT". mean if not I am not really accepting the result?

Worryingly the use of the percentage gap between the vote result is used by some to try and say the result is not acceptable. Apart from the hypocrisy that can be attached to using the percentage gap when it suits in one direction or another to fit with an individuals own vote, what does a democratic vote rely on if not the higher percentage of the vote wins, irrespective of the percentage?

As for 'working together' it would be wise and intelligent for all politicians of any colour in the UK and the EU to do so but alas politics is about posturing and it will be a miracle if they can pull this one off for the good of ALL but I wish them well . I just hope the agreement today to move onto the 'Second Phase' sees some major compromises for the good of ALL on both sides of the talks but I don't really believe it will happen and it will be a case of trade comes second to politics.

I'm sorry but I don't understand the OP. Who particularly is trying to bankrupt the country and bring us to our knees? Are you refering to the MPs who wanted a vote on the final deal? But isn't this exactly what Parliament is there for - to oversee and debate decisions which are made by the executive - and this in fact is why many said they voted to leave the EU because of the loss in control of Parliament itself.

I also don't understand your remark POGS that 'I accept the result but...' is necessarily a bad attitude. I would have thought that 'I accept the result but I want to make sure that we get the best deal that we can' is a perfectly valid statement to make. Unfortunately, along with many other people, I'm not sure that those who are negotiating on our behalf are clear on exactly what their end objectives are. Actually I'm certain they aren't, since the cabinet don't appear to have come to a concensus yet.

Luckylegs - I think you have made a valid point and agree with most of what you say - I'm disappointed by the MPs who voted against the Government - I think it could undermine our negotiators.
The vitriol in some of the responses to the OP makes me so glad I didn't discover GN until after the referendum - I bet the debates became unpleasant.
But, heh, I'm just an "ignorant" "bigoted" (paddyann, I think you'll find there's only one t in bigoted - but what would I know - I'm merely "brain dead" and like an American "red-neck" I can't put a sentence together) Brexiteer.

Our democracy is a parliamentary democracy. That means that we elect (albeit by a very undemocratic FPTP system) MPs who are supposed to make important decisions on our behalf.

The vast majority of MPs (who are generally better informed about politics than the rest of us) voted REMAIN.

The ill-judged referendum was ADVISORY.

Many of the MPs who thought we should remain let us down when they bowed to the pressure of the right wing gutter press and voted to trigger Article 50. However Article 50 can be revoked.

At long last enough of the Tory Remainers have had the courage to do the right thing and vote for the final decision on brexit to be made by a vote in parliament, undermining the agenda of those who wanted to "take back control" from our elected representatives and give it to the foreign billionaires and tax exiles who control the gutter press and swayed the votes of guillible readers.

At last we have a glimmer of hope that our country will not be run by these sinister vested interests.