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grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 08:46:54

Dear all,

I come to you after the advice of a dear friend.
I really need your help to make the relationship with my one and only DIL better.

Some background : I am 68 years old married to my DH (dear husband) (dear husband) 70 years old since 44 years and we have 2 children : DD (dear daughter) (dear daughter) 42 who has no children and DS (dear son) (dear son) 38 has a GF 32 that i will call DIL. They have my only grandaughter B, 8 months old, the light of my life.
Me and DH (dear husband) (dear husband) live in Europe. DS, DIL and DGD, live abroad 6 hours by plane from us.

My DIL is clever, beautiful, kind, funny and generous. Well, that was before the arrival of my grandaughter.

It started during pregnancy when she would not take my calls or answer my messages. It was so not her to do that ! She is very talkative usually. She had a very high risk pregnancy and i was worried. She was in bedrest at her mother in Europe while my DS (dear son) (dear son) was still abroad working. So i would call or text her everyday asking some questions about some medical stuff or just to tchat. She would not answer and send a text every 2 weeks or so to write :"everything is fine. Hope your okay!". Almost always the same text.
My DH (dear husband) (dear husband) and I asked my DS (dear son) (dear son) what was happening and he only told us to leave her alone.

Since then, our relationship got worse.
They decided to have the baby in Europe in our town and it has been decided that after the planned c section they will come rest at our place. (Where they live health facilities are very bad, it is a third world country). We were delighted to have our DGD home !

It was terrible as first she said she wanted 24 hours with no visits at the hospital. Then she would not let us take the baby to cuddle or spend time with. I understand she was very possessive of this baby as she has suffered previous losses.
But she would not even talk to us or very little. She was suddenly so aloof and cold.
She spent her time breastfeeding. It seems that she was breastfeeding non stop. Breastfeeding on demand she said. I have never seen that in my life. Or sleeping with the baby !
One time we were at dinner and the baby started crying. She took the baby to calm her but i wanted to help. So i woke up and told her to give me the baby. She just said no. It was really inconfortable and my son said nothing !
I pardon her because she seemed very tired after the birth !
After 3 weeks, my DH (dear husband) (dear husband) and I had to go the the mariage of my nephew in the Caribbean. But when we came back they had rented an appartement elsewhere ! We did not see our DGD during 10 days. We saw her during 1 dinner and then my DIL and DGD left to her mother in another town.
When she was at her mother, DH (dear husband) (dear husband) will text her and she will respond very sporadically. After 9 days without news, he texted my DIL's mother asking some news. Let's thing i know my DIL sends him a very mean text telling him to back off !

We only saw them 3 months later last Christmas and she was still very aloof almost mean.
I admit the mistakes I made during this week but i don't think it was that terrible.
I put an orange in my DGD mouth during one meal. She jumped of her seat and screamed at me "she is exclusively breastfeeded. I told You!". My DS (dear son) (dear son) started to get mad at me too. God it was just an orange !

I said 2 things and my DIL overreacted :

1/ Sometimes I call my DGD " my daughter". My DIL looked at me in the eyes with a scary look and told me "one thing needs to be clear : she is not your daughter, she is mine". I told her as she is my son's daughter, it is like she is my daughter. My son tells me i'm ridiculous. I think my DIL is. It is just to be affectionnate.

2/I told her next time they come, i will put the baby bed near the back of the room. She can't cosleep with her mother at 1 year old ! They have to get a bit detached.
She cut me while i was speaking and said in a non-friendly voice " i am sure the parents have a say in where their baby sleep".

I understand that sometimes as PIL (parents-in-law) (parents-in-law) we can be overbearing and sometimes pushy. But i only see them 2/3 times a year. And i feel like i can't enjoy my DGD. I walk on eggshells with her. I had never spend time alone with my DGD, her mother is always around.
Since they are abroad, we try to facetime once a week but she rarely participates in our talks with my DS.
My son told me she is going to fly to Washington DC (daycare, dear child) (daycare, dear child) for 2 weeks for business. And she is bringing the baby and her sister will come to babysit. I am sad she did not ask me as i do not work anymore. But i told her nothing.

Don't get me wrong, i love my DIL and she is a good mom. But i think she is a bit possessive. I have the feeling she is backing off the relationship and i want to do something.

I have 3 questions :
1/ Can someone explain me the behaviour of my DIL ? She seems frightened by our love.
2/ They are suppose to stay 3 weeks with us this summer. How to make her feel confortable and like her old self ? Talkative, funny and gracious ?
3/ My DS (dear son) (dear son) told me my DGD has a nanny and sometimes they go out at night and the baby stays with the nanny. We have the hope to babysit our baby this summer. How to make DIL confortable with this idea ?

Thanks for your help.

Grandmother M.

Jaycee5 Fri 17-Mar-17 12:36:27

You said that you told your DIL to give the child to you. You need to make sure you are only asking (about anything to do with the child) not telling.
I think you should apologise for the errors you made (probably not by text), mean it, and make an effort to hold back and to relax.
Otherwise the advice on here seems sound and pretty well unanimous which is very rare for this site. I can understand why some people are questioning the genuineness of your question as I would have thought that writing it out would have made you realise where you are going wrong.
Still, if it is genuine, it is not too late to put things write as long as you change your ways quickly (and don't be too pushy with the apology either).

Mermaid6 Fri 17-Mar-17 12:30:27

This just cannot be genuine

Ilovecheese Fri 17-Mar-17 12:30:17

Doesn't sound to me as if the daughter in law has suffered depression, she has suffered from (well meaning) interference

petra Fri 17-Mar-17 12:29:26

This woman's post has nothing to do with love of a grandchild, it's all to do with control.

Candelle Fri 17-Mar-17 12:27:38

It's a joke. It is said that grandparents and grandchildren get on so well together because they have a common enemy.

Husband of Candelle

palliser65 Fri 17-Mar-17 12:17:52

Sorry to hear your problem. This sounds very much as if your daugfhter in law suffered from depression before before and has now worsened. Her confidence is obviously very low and any queries and help (very well meant) are felt as undermining by her. I'm sorry to have to say but my daughters would soon tell me to back off if i gave as much attention as you do to child and mother. You so obviously want the best for your family but please take a holiday or just offer tea/dinner in a few weeks. I am mother of girls who have children and i never offer any opinion unless asked as am soon put in my place (rightly as i wouldn't like my mother to interfere). Your son may be very worried about his wife and doesn't want to worry about you too. Hard i know but hell is paved with good intentions. I do wish you well.

mostlyharmless Fri 17-Mar-17 12:17:50

Tread carefully. Grandparents have to earn the trust of their daughters/daughter-in-laws and sons/son-in-laws before they will let you care for your grandchild. I'm sure all (or most) grandparents have had to learn to take a step back, bite their tongue sometimes and respect a different generation's way of parenting. New parents want to do things their way, quite rightly, so all grandparents have to follow the parents' rules! That is the way even in the closest of families. Hopefully in time you will have the opportunity to develop a warm and loving relationship with your granddaughter.

janeayressister Fri 17-Mar-17 12:08:45

I am at my Daughters now. Her baby is two days old. When I look back at my behaviour with the first Grandchildren I realise that I interfered far too much as I thought I know best. I called them 'MY BABY' on occasion.

Luckily, I am her Mum otherwise I would have been shown the door.
This time, every time I am tempted ( and I have been tempted already) I clamp my mouth shut.
The OPs DIL will have a very full life with a small child. She needs to not call her and ask too many questions.
I also came laden with presents. This meant that they sometimes didn't have the pleasure and opportunity to buy something them selves. I got TOLD.

Some things have changed though. Last time I suggested a dummy might help and swaddling. I got told off....guess what....the baby has a dummy and it gets swaddled.
The best way to find out how to behave is to go on Mumsnet. It is full of threads on this subject.
Best of luck OP as you fall madly in love with your GC. I hope they realise that your behaviour was through love and concern.

harrigran Fri 17-Mar-17 12:04:27

My goodness woman, you are a waking nightmare. I would not let you over my doorstep, back off or you will lose your family.
Grandmothers have no rights to their GC so should tread warily so as not to antagonise the parents.

sarahellenwhitney Fri 17-Mar-17 11:58:53

Grandmaeurope.My sympathy goes to the mother of your grandchild.
Let the poor girl bond with her child.
You will lose them both so hold back.

Yorkshiregel Fri 17-Mar-17 11:58:31

Sorry, this thread seems to have back-fired on you. I can sympathise, but really you should back-off. Obviously your dil wants to do this her way. My two dils breast fed up to 1 year too, most modern Mothers do these days. You just have to accept they do things differently now.

Try not to involve your son in this. He is pig in the middle at the moment and he will resent that role. He will support his wife! If you want to be on good terms with your dil you will have to be patient and allow them to come to you. If you insist on trying to get your own way you will never be allowed to see your dgd and you do not want that do you.

Sorry this has happened to you. It is hard, but you must accept that you ARE NOT the baby's Mother. She already has one. You are her Grandmother.

I understand where your dil is coming from.

goldengirl Fri 17-Mar-17 11:47:43

Crumbs! I feel claustrophobic just reading the post! As my GC have got older I've always said, my house, my rules when they come round but as babies I've always asked the parents what the routines were and asked if I might try this or that. If they've said no, then so be it. It must be hard if you don't see your GD much but that's the way it is so just enjoy her and don't take over.

Diddy1 Fri 17-Mar-17 11:43:49

Sorry, but I have to agree with the other Grans, leave them alone, and enjoy your GRANDDAUGHTER when you see her.If it is a cultural difference then it can be difficult, but the DIL must be able to look after her baby as she wishes. Sorry if we are all being too hard, but we just want to help.

jevive73 Fri 17-Mar-17 11:43:34

As a retired mother, perhaps you invested too much in imagining how it would be to be a grandmother. Things will improve if you go gently with dil

petra Fri 17-Mar-17 11:34:08

So it's not April the 1st ( that's a day when we play jokes)
I take it that your post isn't a wind up ( that's when people post stuff just to annoy people) as you have given more information.
In that case you are a seriously scary Mother in law. If I was your daughter in law I would change my phone No, email address, move house, in fact anything to keep you away from me and my child.

Craicon Fri 17-Mar-17 11:30:59

Daily Skype sessions? Oh my!
I doubt we speak to either of our DS more than once a month max.
I think you're lucky that your DIL is still sending you pictures to be honest especially as your DH has emailed her twice in one week. Why would he do that, for heavens sake?
You are far too over invested in their lives and I think you need to find new interests.
If you were my MIL, I'd keep you at arms length too, sorry.

Chloret1 Fri 17-Mar-17 11:29:40

Sorry - my question was to Husband of Candelle.

Chloret1 Fri 17-Mar-17 11:29:07

Why does the grandmother need to get her own back? Why is there a need to pitch one generation against the other?

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 11:27:26

Sorry the skype sessions with our son is weekly and sometimes he doesn't answer...

Candelle Fri 17-Mar-17 11:25:39

Just an observation from a mere male (husband of Candelle). Mothers spend a lot of time teaching , by example, their daughters on how to be a mother and usually, I would guess, the daughter ends up with a parenting style close to that of their mother.

However, no-one teaches a new grandmother on how to be a grandmother. If it is the grandmothers daughter who has had the baby then they are more likely to agree on the treatment of the grandchild for the reason enunciated in the first paragraph. If it is the new grandmother's son's child then there is no history of childcare between the grandmother and daughter-in-law and hence lots of opportunities for friction.

In this situation, it would seem to me, that the grandmother should ask the mother every time for permission to do whatever the grandmother wishes to do and should only offer advice when asked (unless the mother is about to do something which would endanger the child's safety - plunging the baby into a hot bath for example). This, of course, also applies between new grandmother and daughter.

Eventually the new mother will realise that the grandmother is not a homicidal maniac and will tire of being asked and then sweetness and light will exist between then for ever .....or not.

An afterthought. There will be lots of opportunities, when the child becomes a teenager, for the grandmother to get her own back.

Husband of Candelle

jevive73 Fri 17-Mar-17 11:22:28

Unless you can be objective rather than defensive about what you have been doing which has alienated dil,you won't have a relationship with your dgd.

harrysgran Fri 17-Mar-17 11:21:58

You really need to take a step back she is not your daughter therefore why say it perhaps your dil is lacking confidence she needs support .not I know better advice from you bite your tongue before it's too late you still have your GD in your life this could easily change

Foxygran Fri 17-Mar-17 11:17:38

I imagine that these replies are not what you expected and some may seem to you to be a little harsh. But it is all good advice and you really do need to take note.

Give them some space! If I had to Skype daily it would drive me mad!

Don't be sorry and sad that you've got the advice you have. Just try to learn from it and I'm sure your relationship with DIL will then start to improve.

GlamM Fri 17-Mar-17 11:16:41

I am very involved in my GS life. My DIL is a first time mum hand has relied very heavily on my support , I do not however get in the way of what she needs, I am extremely lucky that she respects me and values my experience. She asks me a lot of questions and I offer an ear and some helpful suggestions most of which she listens too and is happy when they pay off. To me it's an absolute blessing and I remind myself everyday that if I had the support that she has with both myself and her wonderful wise and fabulous mother I would not have been as frazzled smile. Take a step back and apologise, you could try to explain how much they all mean to you and that the excitement was the cause of your overstep. Leave it with an offer of a safe happy relaxed place for them to visit in their own way on their own terms and that if you are asked you will only be too delighted to help. Stay strong. Best of luck. X

moobox Fri 17-Mar-17 11:14:01

Daily Skype sessions! I think you have been told many home truths here, without members holding back. That must be brutal for you, and I am sure the fault lies with both sides of the problem, not just your behaviour.
I empathise with you, as have encountered similar problems with the whole DIL/MIL thing, but I would feel smothered by daily skyping from anyone.