Naughty clematis

No I ve got one of those not thick enough leaves Elegran and it's never gone red
Oh blimey I m now going to Google old mans beard
I went on a photograph plant identifier and that did suggest clematis but..........

Better photo - www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/weedguide/single_weed.php?id=35

Virginia creeper - thesquirrelnutwork.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/five-leaf-vine/

Virginia creeper? Because of the five leaves. Or are the leaves too thick and dark?

I'm wondering if it's wild clematis aka Old Man's Beard?
I hope I'm wrong I have been guilty of carefully cultivating weeds before now!

Not my head my HAND ????

Last evening I dug my head into the undergrowth just to see how deep it is It nearly came up to my elbow in depth of foliage BUT one trail of foliage has some little buds ? Could they be Is this more of a clue kind ladies ( and gents)?

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clematis are strange! I'm loading up two photos the first one is the leaves of my spring flowering Grandiflora.
The second is called Propertius and should flower in the spring, but it has buds on now! Both were newly planted earlier in the summer.

It does not look like clematis, but I also have no idea what it is. Lovely cover.

They look like palmate leaves so try Cissus striata.

Just looked campus radicals up and it's not the same leaf merlotgran

Merlotgran I think it's deciduous but I ve never taken much notice as it's never grown like this before just a weak little old thing till the trees were cut down it's just 'BEEN THERE' so to speak for 15 odd years but really just a nonentity this year it's gone man like a triffid but I ll let you know if the leaves drop at the moment there is still new growth every day

The leaf looks like Campsis radicans. Is it deciduous or evergreen?

I never know what to do so I just cut off what annoys me. That could be why other people's clematis (es?) always look so much better.

No definitely not red or orange I m pretty sure the leaves drop off I m a bit vague as it's never been all this greenery before A bit unremarkable in previous years but as I said since removing the trees from near it this year it's gone totally mad

It looks more like a Parthenociccus. Do the leaves go bright red in autumn?

when It flowers you ll know it's a clematis

Anya it's never flowered in 15+ years hence my post

Interesting comments about not pruning Montanas. As a rule I would agree, hence the 30 ft one climbing up the silver birch.
But about 6 years ago the Silver Briches had necessary pruning, in the winter, and the tree surgeons cut down the Montana. I was really upset, as all that was left were two thick brown stumps.
That spring, new growth appeared and within 2 years they were back up the tree, better than ever.
Looking at the leaves I'd definitely say it's a clematis.

Give it a severe talking to. Threaten it. I did this with my plum tree last year and we had fruit for the first time ever.

When it flowers then you'll know if it's a clematis.

I have taken a mature leaf (dark green) and a new snippet and now really curious ?
What do you all think

Hi Nellie I have no idea what it is, it was not planted by me
As you can see by my original post it has never had a flower on it my whole point of asking the original question
I will take a leaf close up for you all to see

I do have a honeysuckle and the leaves are not alike Hilltopgran although of course that doesn't mean it's not one of a different variety

This is becoming a mystery now

What type of clematis is it? They are grouped by type depending when they flower. If they are pruned at the wrong time you might cut off all next seasons flowers .

Actually you cannot see the leaves or the flowers which would give a clue to what sort of climber it is. Can you get a really good close up?

It looks similar to the evergreen honeysuckle I inherited in my garden, grows like a triffed when its happy and flowers very small and easy to miss!

Oh that's interesting I always thought it was I ll take a close up of a leaf tomorrow Maybe that's why it hasn't flowered ?

I don't think the leaves look like clematis