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Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 07-May-26 08:38:58

For those of us who've been living with estrangement for sometime and in many cases for years, we know how important this thread is.

The friendships we have made are our constant companions as we continue our journeys through our lives without the ones we have lost due to estrangement.

We have learned from one another that our estrangements don't define us and our desire to keep this thread going is as much for those who may not have posted before and maybe at the beginning of their estrangement, as it is for those of us who've been posting for sometime.

Our dear friend Babs posted the following several months ago and because it encapsulates so perfectly what we strive to achieve, I wrote it down for the OP of the next thread.

"We give advice in a calm and collected manner because we are removed from this storm, but when you are in it you cling to anything you think will get through to your child".

Thank you Babs for your wise and insightful words.

stillawipp Wed 27-May-26 16:30:23

Thank you Whiff, absolutely no need to feel sorry for me so please don’t waste time doing so, I am very happy with who I am. I won’t enter into a discussion but just to clarify that I didn’t say you did anything, if you read my post again!

Smileless2012 Wed 27-May-26 18:03:46

You posted about casual references to slapping and punching stillawipp. There was no mention of punching.

stillawipp Wed 27-May-26 18:53:49

Just to clarify

Smileless2012 Wed 27-May-26 20:10:27

My mistake.

Yoginimeisje Thu 28-May-26 08:36:07

Morning all

So funny your friends dog loved the cool mat Smiles and not your own doggie. Lovely and cool yesterday, bit hotter today, so will take Joey out as soon as I'm back from the docs. Just the mot one is invited to once you reach 70, yeks!

The show was brilliant. My friend whom I know is not a C&W fan, was singing along and clapping, tapping her feet, so really enjoying it. I asked her afterwards if I'd converted her a little to C&W, her answer; No confused.

Can't read rest of thread, must dash for my app. will read rest later or tomorrow.

Stay cool all xx

Smileless2012 Thu 28-May-26 09:02:27

Morning everyone.

So pleased you enjoyed the show Yogin and your friend clearly did although you failed to convert her to C&W. Just wondering how she'd have demonstrated her pleasure if she had been grin.

Hope your MOT goes well and you 'pass'smile.

I think today will see the last of the very warm weather which would be right as the small gazebo which we've ordered to put on our decking, arrives tomorrow hmm. At least we'll be fully prepared for the next period of hot and sunny weather. The two large parasols we have are good, but this will be better.

Have a good day everyone xx

Smileless2012 Sun 31-May-26 08:03:02

Morning everyone.

It was surprising still very warm here yesterday so we were pleased when we got our gazebo put up. It fits nicely into the corner of our decking and has mesh sides to keep the bugs out.

Spent the afternoon at our neighbours enjoying a rather eclectic mix of music as we all took turns to choose the next song.

Have a good Sunday everyone.

Whiff Mon 01-Jun-26 10:29:00

Yogin glad you enjoyed the C&W. You can't help but be drawn into that music. I took a friend to a classical concert she doesn't like classical music by did like the Elgar but it was Sibelios ( not spelt correctly) that she loved. Have tickets for 4 concerts next year one is for Sir Bryn Terfel she pulled and face she doesn't like opera. The Phil has an access scheme if you are disabled and pay full price for your ticket you get a companion ticket free. And because I am a bronze member don't pay booking fee. Going to golden age of film music by myself . As another friend had to pull out as her husband is having his cataract done and if left alone will do something he shouldn't, the other is on holiday. But been many times on my own. You know me always find someone to talk to.

Hope your MOT went well. My GP sent 3 invites for dementia test I refused and told them to stop sending them . But seeing my GP this afternoon. So no talking after sit fit as I need to change my clothes for easy access. Taxi taking me as the buses wouldn't get me there when I need to be.

Smiles its raining today. Your prediction came true. No choir this week . We had our 4th song last week. Son of a preacher man. Thought it would be easy to sing but its not well not for me. But will keep practicing. Did you find a choir to join?

The only music I hate is jazz. Don't like hip hop or music in that vane. Did you sing along to the music with your neighbours .

Went out of lunch with 2 friends on Friday but ended going to a different restaurant as the one I booked decided to change their minds and not open lunchtime. But still have a lovely time. Unfortunately I tripped on my way home as it wasn't a startle I felt myself falling foward dropped my bag and there was a stone drive gate post and managed to reach for it and gripped the edge hard. Then my limbs stiffen and couldn't move. I did shout for help and a couple came to my aid . Unfortunately my speech was stuttery as I explained what I needed. Once my limbs loosened I couldn't move my hand that gripped the post so the lady had to pull them off and straighten them for me. They offered to fetch their car and take me home . Thanked them very much but I only live 2 roads away. I thanked them very much for helping me and staying with me until I could move. They watched me walk very slowly before we said goodbye.

Must admitted it really frightened me and don't understand why I tripped as I always look at the floor when walking outside ,at least I didn't drop my stick otherwise I think I wouldn't have been able to grab the post.

I am used to the startle reflex but this was something new . I don't frightened easily but really shook me up. And my pain levels shot up so just rested the weekend.

Know today to be extra careful. Good job I walk by walls etc. And get past empty spaces slower .

Hope everyone has a good day.

Purplepixie Tue 02-Jun-26 05:09:17

Estranged from my daughter for 11 plus years. It hurts but at least I see her two beautiful daughters. She is 50 this year.

Yoginimeisje Tue 02-Jun-26 08:04:34

Morning all

Good to see the rain today and that it's a lot cooler.

Sorry to read about your fall Whiff sounded awful, good job some nice people stopped to help you. I realised I don't like Jazz when I went to a music night with my friend.
My mot all good but I was shocked to learn I have high cholesterol, the doctor prescribed me statins, which frighten the life out of me, sure I will not be taking them, my HC is the inherited type.

Yoginimeisje Tue 02-Jun-26 08:06:19

PurplePixie flowers

Smileless2012 Tue 02-Jun-26 11:46:38

Morning everyone.

Oh Whiff that must have been upsetting, thank goodness you're alright and that you were helped by such kind people. I hope you got some rest over the weekend flowers.

That's a long time PurplePixie and although you're able to see your beautiful GD's the pain of being estranged from their mum will remain flowers.

We had a very frustrating weekend with most of it spent with no running water hmm. The majority of the site's water comes from a bore hole and there was an issue with the pump.

The touring site is supplied by Yorkshire Water so we were able to refill bottles from there but it was very frustrating having to remember not to flush every time we used the toilets because when we did, we had to refill which took over 3 litres of water.

I hate it if I can't flush.

Good news about your MOT yogin despite being told you have high cholesterol which it seems to me that everyone over a certain age is told they have.

Mr. S. was prescribed Statins but needed a couple of changes before he found some that agreed with him.

We had plenty of rain here last night and it's raining again so looks as if our ladies round of golf planned for this afternoon will be cancelled. We're 'fair weather golfers' grin.

Allsorts Wed 03-Jun-26 07:08:00

Whiff, so sorry about what happened it myst have been upsetting for you.
Smilekess my sympathies about not flushing, I hate that to. Hope problem soon solved.
Yoga, I was prescribed Statins but don’t take them. I cut out processed foods and do not eat sugar anyway. Never been tested again to see what my reading is. I think my surgery thinks anyone over a certain age too much of a drain on resources. When is your holiday?
Got a bit of a family crisis at present and sorry for not contributing much,

Smileless2012 Wed 03-Jun-26 08:48:22

Morning everyone.

The water issue has been resolved Allsorts so I no longer have to repeat the 'do not flush' mantra when I go to the loo. So sorry that you're have a family crisis going on at the moment flowers x

We are so lucky to be living here as the wildlife is simply amazing. Last night 3 beautiful hares were on the golf course with a leveret, a heron on the pond and the best of all, a fox cub.

We've seen dad a couple of times and glimpsed the cub, but last night s/he was standing by our neighbours car smile.

Purplepixie Wed 03-Jun-26 11:51:58

Thanks all. X

Whiff Fri 05-Jun-26 07:44:17

Purplepixie nice to see your name back on the thread. I don't mean its nice its been over 11 years since your estrangement you know what I mean. Glad you see your granddaughters
at least your daughter knows how much they need you and you them. I spent lot of time with my nan and looked after from when I was 11 when ill of a weekend . Two aunts who didn't work looked after during the week. But I never saw it as strange it was quality time with my nan. Did some shopping for her and she loved me cooking her meals. No fridge just a cold slab in the pantry ,no hot water tap and outside loo with big gap at top and bottom of the door. People are surprised when I say that but then explain why they where there. It's so any bats,rats or mice could escape when they heard someone coming. Holding the candle with a match box watching the spiders. My grandsons think its funny going to the loo by candle light.

People think it strange I did that but I was the only granddaughter for 19 years and its what my extended family did. Whatever a family member needed then rest of family helped out . I supposed because there wasn't all the things we have today. Remember hire purchase and rented telly's. Having things on the tick at shops and my nan when the kids where young sent my mom to pawn shop on a Monday then Friday to get things back. The wedding ring of my nans I have was what my mom saved and brought her. Nan never pawned that one because mom brought it. Grandad brought her 2 but nan never could afford to get them back.

Yogin I have been taking statin since January last year. They found slight furring in my right artery so to prevent further build up I take it. But have found it helpful. My cholesterol was 4.4 last year this 3.5 but the best thing for well over a decade had low sodium levels but stable. This year my sodium levels are in the normal range and I am sure its down to the statin. My brother cholesterol was 7.2 he has been on statin for 10 years took a while to find one that suited him but his cholesterol is 3. 4 and been stable for 5 years.

I never thought I woukd take a statin but its low dose and had no problems with it. Taking it will hopefully prevent me having a stent in my heart. My brother has 2 in his . He has permanent AF, I have PAF and the hole in the side of my heart I was born with but its small so safer to leave alone which I am happy about .

Smiles glad you have your water back. It's hard not to flush the you can't except when you need to. It's amazing how much water it takes to fill the cistern . My loo has button which you can either full flush or half flush depending on what you need. Loving seeing all the animals and birds close to your home . Did you manage to play golf?

Allsorts sorry you have family problems at the moment . Hopefully everything will get sorted out. Health care is a post code lottery. I am lucky I moved where the health care is excellent. After my visit to my GP on Monday have another thing to add to my list of health conditions but its treatable .

Yesterday booked my train tickets for next month when I visit my brother, sister in law,adopted dad as I call her dad and Aggie their dog. Plus booked my tickets for my August holiday. And me planning ahead booked my room for Aberystwyth in May next year. I need an accessible room so always go in a Primier inn . What makes me laugh is when I say I am going on holiday they ask who with and say me. Disability doesn't mean incapable. Just have to find ways to do things your way. But I couldn't do what I do without going on the train with travel assistance.

A friend of my grandson is on holiday for 3 weeks in Japan. I said to my daughter I thought you weren't supposed to take children out of school during term time. She said you aren't but they have just paid the find . No idea how much that is per child.

Off to the Phil tomorrow night for a concert of film music. Gave my free ticket back as no one want to go with me. But at least they can either sell it or gift it to someone else.

Have a good day everyone and hope you don't get soaked through.

Smileless2012 Sat 06-Jun-26 08:52:24

Morning all. It's a wet and slightly chilling morning here, so different to what we had last weekend.

I enjoyed reading about the memories you have of time spent with your nan Whiff. I adored my maternal GM and have many wonderful memories of time spent with her as a child and an adult.

I was dusting her photograph yesterday and telling her how horrified she's be if she knew what had happened with her great grandson sad.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the concert this evening. If I lived near you I'd have been happy to go, some of the music composed for films is fabulous and it will be lovely to hear it being played live.

Neighbours told us yesterday that on Thursday night the two fox cubs were chasing one another around our cars. I often wonder what's going on outside when we're asleep, as there will be a lot of wildlife around when everyone's tucked up in bed.

Had a very disappointing meal out last night. Mr. S.'s haddock in beer batter looked lovely but my duck with glazed honey was very bland, anemic looking and barely warm, and the vegetables so under cooked al dente that I could barely cut into them!!!

A lovely lady from church had taken us out as a 'thank you' for coming to us for a Sunday dinner on several occasions so I didn't say anything but had it just been the two of us, I'd have sent it back.

Mr. S. said we wont be going back but it was a lovely setting and sometimes it just depends on what you order, so at some point we'll give it another go and I wont order the duck.

Out again this evening to a tapas restaurant which we know does great food so looking forward to that.

Hope you all have a good weekend and manage to stay out of the rain.

Yoginimeisje Sat 06-Jun-26 10:03:10

Morning all

Well, it was quite a nice day yesterday & the evening was beautiful, so I swapped hoovering for gardening, it was joyful. So, I hope you got your golf in Smiles. Lovely to hear about your little animals. I love Haddock, have it every Tuesday with mash & fresh veggies.

I have my white dove that I call 'Snow White. When I put the fat balls out this morning, I called to her to come down, and she landed right by my head as I was up on a stall hooking up the feeder, so she's getting used to me. I have 2 squirrels I call onenut & twonut, as that's how many they can get in their mouths grin. I have fledgling Starling, blackbirds, Robins, Bluetits and great tits. I'm going on a bit as when I first moved here there were no birds, save the wood pigeons along with no flowers and now I have lots of both smile, so I'm really pleased & happy.

Allsorts & Whiff my cholesterol reading is 12, the doctor said; normal for my age is 10. I'm not taking the statins. Everyone I speak to is on them, many cut the dosage and some stop due to side effects.

Allsorts hope your family crisis sorts itself out. I'm away next week, weather not looking good!

Whiff enjoy your concert, shame about the free ticket going to waste. I remember my nan had an outside loo with big gaps in the door, not good in the winter confused

Have a nice weekend all, my poor DD&GDs are at a Scots all day event today, hope the weather improves for them.

Whiff Sat 06-Jun-26 10:38:05

Lovely to hear about the fox cubes. I know people who have those door bells thingy that if they set them for a wide range pick up animals in the night . I am sure its the hedgehog that sets off my security lights as it goes under my garden gate. Saw it once. I have a frog in my garden he appears when my gardener is here but dont see it otherwise. Have lots of birds. The park is only 2 roads away but there is also a valley within walking distance . Now I am feeling better if its not to hot I will take a walk there. It's not far but with my sense of direction I will have to go out the way I go in. There is some marsh land and a bridge over the water so has beautiful flowers and bullrushes . All water insects love seeing the dragonflies. There are deer but never seen them. Last year even though I went away and did my usual things just hadn't got the ability to do things I love closer to home.

The care firm where I have my cleaner a member of staff came to see me to see if I was happy with the service and I mentioned going to the beach. She said they could take me instead of cleaning so added activities to the contract cost the same. My cleaners had mentioned if I wanted to go shopping they could do that.There are no buses to the beach. I have emailed the bus companies but they have no plans to run a service to any of the beaches here.

There is no excuse for bad cooking or cold food in a restaurant. I can understand why you didn't sent it back as the lady took you as a thank you and didn't want to upset her.

I have more concerts booked for this year and 4 for next year. A friend from sit fit is going with me I just mentioned I had booked my tickets for Sir Bryn Terfel singing Schubert. She said she had a ticket. Said you can get a refund and I have a free companion ticket plus my seats where better. So she had her ticket refunded. It's in April on her birthday. I am going by myself tonight been to lot of others myself. But the friend who was going with me her husband had his cataract done on Thursday and she knows he wouldn't do what the hospital said. But she let me know last week. So phoned the box off and said I didn't need so it gives them chance to either sell it or gift it. In a box tonight.

Heard from Babs they are loving life in their bungalow ,have better health care, there's a community bus and good public bus service. They are very glad they moved .

Take care all.

Smileless2012 Tue 09-Jun-26 08:42:22

Morning everyone, I hope you all had a good weekend.

We had a lovely meal out on Saturday which made up for Friday's.

Hope you enjoyed the concert on Saturday Whiff, it's great to have the opportunity to hear music played live. Good news about Babs and Mr. B. happy and settled in their new home smile.

Well you've certainly made up for the lack of birds in your garden Yogin. Wildlife and flowers on the doorstep are a real joy aren't they.

We had our game of golf and were entertained by three partridges running around on the course, who seemed to know they were quite safe as only one of us is able to hit the ball a long way. Not me I hasten to add.

Hope things have settled down Allsorts flowers.

Smileless2012 Sat 13-Jun-26 09:10:05

Morning all.

Disappointed with the weather this morning as I thought it was going to be a bit warmer especially as we had some lovely warm sunshine yesterday, but it's chilly here again so we've had the 15 minute heating booster on again.

Our neighbours little Westie had his op yesterday and bless him, looks so cute in his post op suit but is not a happy chappy this morning.

Little Pip really struggled after his, so much so that I had him back to the vet three times that week!!! At the third visit she assured me that everything was fine and said that he's a bit of a wimp; I think she was right.

When our cockapoo had her op, we couldn't believe how she was the next day. The only thing I worried about with her was that she'd pull her stitches because she was charging around as if nothing had happened shock.

A friend sent us some pics of three 12 month old toy poodle sisters who have just been rescued and need re homing. Poor little things, it's heartbreaking that some dogs are badly treated but we have 4 days away next month and a week away in August, so there's no way I could have taken one.

Apparently there's been a lot of interest so it wont be long before they get loving homes.

Yoginimeisje Sat 13-Jun-26 09:40:56

Well back from my holibobs, had a good time, despite the rotten weather.

Whiff sounds like you have lots of nice wildlife to look at by you. Are you watching 'Spring watch' I caught up with it last night, along with gardeners' worlds, lovely programmes.

Bet you were tempted with the little toy poodles Smiles. I don't like to think about when I had my little Lilly done, she was so poorly, came out walking very slowly with her head down sad. Joey was already done when I adopted him, so didn't have to go through that horrible situation.

Doing lots of washing today, need to shop after taking Joey for his walkies.

Take care all, nicer day today xx

Smileless2012 Mon 15-Jun-26 11:23:20

Morning all, hope you all had a good weekend.

Glad you enjoyed your holibobs Yogin even though the weather let you down.

Well all I can say about yesterday is 'we was robbed^!!! There was a dog show on site yesterday and not only did our little Poppy not win, she wasn't second or third either shock.

It was good fun though and as she had absolutely no idea what was going on, she wasn't in anyway offended grin.

Yoginimeisje Tue 16-Jun-26 08:58:22

For Poppy flowers cupcake

Whiff Tue 16-Jun-26 15:15:33

Yogin I am 68 and been told by my cardiologist my cholesterol should be 5 or under. I have been taking Atorvaststin 20mg one a day since January last year . My cholesterol was 4.4 last year this 3.5 . I have had problems with my sodium levels being low of well over 10 years but they where stable . This year they are in the normal range . I think the statin has stabilised my sodium levels. I have had no side effects from them I take them of a morning at 6am . They have a coating so they protect your stomach . My brother is on them as well but lot higher dose . He had to try several statins before finding one that didn't hurt his muscles in his legs.

I don't watch live TV and never think to watch Spring watch on iplayer. I used to love watching it.

Hope you enjoyed your hols even though the weather was bad. I am glad it rained when I went to Lancaster as I couldn't have done all I did in the very hot weather we had when I was home.

Smiles hope your neighbours dog is on the mend . Haven't seen partridges for years lucky you. Dog shows can be fun even if you don't win.

The concert was fabulous they did 2 musical encores it was 11pm before I got home . Haven't been out late on a Saturday since my daughters wedding . They didn't sell my companion ticket and there was a lady sitting behind it so told her to sit there as it was on the front of the box and it was pointless being empty.

Well the Wombles aren't satisfied I have left . Had a letter from them today. The letter is there version of what happened. On the subject of my lanyard I wear when out they decided and I quote" It was established that the lanyard did not serve the same purpose as a medical alert bracelet containing specific medical instructions"

My National Disability card I wear on National Disability lanyard . It has my picture name and date of birth. If I collapse or fall and medics needed they just need to put my name and date of birth into NHS data base they will see my medical records.

" During the discussion you appeared to minimise the seriousness of your condition, stating that it would never become a serious issue ".

I was born like this I was 63 before I had my diagnosis. Lived with this my whole life . Brought the children up without it effecting them I was just mom. My grandsons are growing up with a disabled nannie it not an issue with them . Looked after my husband, dad,mom and mother in law until they died. Move house myself.

They even have the gaul to expect me to have a carer or support buddy. Yes that is in the letter.

I am very independent and don't need a carer or support buddy. Bet they haven't said that to anyone else with a physical or mental disability.

My cleaner is from a care agency and they have to be trained in all aspects of care. She said what they did is passive bullying . I use a care agency because I my life runs on planning and routine this way I know a cleaner will come every Thursday.

I had checked with my exercise instructors before my first classes after they came . They don't see see my HPX,wearing my lanyard and how I am as a problem they both gave me a hug. At choir it isn't problem either.

They don't want me to talk about it but if anyone I saw at Wombles asks why I left I will tell them . They think they can gag me good luck with that.

As far as I was concerned I left and that was the end of the matter . But no they don't want to let it go.

Fellow Wombles had asked for my advice on things that I knew about and pointed in the right direction to get the help they needed . They followed my advice and got the help they needed and thanked me.

And yet I am seen as a problem . To say I am angry 😡 is an understatement.