Father removes 9 yr old daughter from school over sex ed lessons

VioletSky

Here is a far more balanced article that doesn't feature a minor and has views from other parents who support the school and claim they were informed about the impending lessons

www.suffolknews.co.uk/bury-st-edmunds/news/father-vows-to-remove-eight-year-old-daughter-from-school-ov-9319335/

Thank you VioletSky.

We had sex education lessons in school. I've no angst with age appropriate lessons about bodies, puberty, reproduction, consent, saying no - but I don't believe children need to learn about anal sex in school lessons.

We'd pull ours out of such lessons until their ages were appropriate. Parents can teach this themselves, they've lived it.

Secondary was 3 decades ago for me now and I don't remember sex education

But I do remember we watched a live play about HIV. It talked, well mostly sang, about safe sex and included positivity about different sexualities and different types of sex including anal and oral.

It's not a new thing

VioletSky

Secondary was 3 decades ago for me now and I don't remember sex education

But I do remember we watched a live play about HIV. It talked, well mostly sang, about safe sex and included positivity about different sexualities and different types of sex including anal and oral.

It's not a new thing

Secondary was 3 decades ago for me now and I don't remember sex education

Golly - do you mean you don't remember the education - or that it wasn't available?

My first sex-education lesson was in 1955. I assume other schools embarked on a similar programme - but I didn't question it.

However, prior to '52 the school had been boys-only and as we were going to be boarding cheek by jowl with them, maybe the school Governors considered it a good idea. I didn't talk to my mother about the lessons but I'm sure they were on the school prospectus so she would've been aware of them (and approved).

Of course, in the 50s the focus was very much on marriage and family-life, rather than on the individual. And I do remember some of it went over my head a bit - coming from a broken-family. But the anatomy lessons were useful and even though the illustrations were a bit 'stylised', they and the 'explanation' that went with them were good. As I said earlier, we were taught separately initially, and then together later, and I do remember having quite serious and intelligent conversations with some of the boys during our debating sessions afterwards - but they were mostly about the 'moral' aspects of sex. Of course, none of that would work now, and I know the school has adjusted its sex-education to meet the changing environment.

Do you feel you missed out by not having sex-education? Of course, the HIV play was probably a good idea - my son missed out on that aspect, but we had a lot of discussions at home on the subject - partly to counteract some of the more outlandish claims of how it could be spread.

No I had it, I just don't remember much of it except putting a condom on a banana and everyone blowing up the free condoms on the bus

I don't have the best long term memory

VioletSky

No I had it, I just don't remember much of it except putting a condom on a banana and everyone blowing up the free condoms on the bus

I believe they also made good water-bombs too.

I honestly remember very little SE at school - from what I can recall, it was more about starting your periods than anything else. The emphasis was on the biology side of it really, I think.

Lol Dickens

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

This isn’t anything new.
Didn’t 100’s of Muslim parents complain about sex education in schools not that long ago? The homosexual side of it.
They were protesting outside the school & everything, I remember seeing it on the news.

Norah

We had sex education lessons in school. I've no angst with age appropriate lessons about bodies, puberty, reproduction, consent, saying no - but I don't believe children need to learn about anal sex in school lessons.

We'd pull ours out of such lessons until their ages were appropriate. Parents can teach this themselves, they've lived it.

Musing over your comment, the thought occurred to me - what's the bloody hurry...

At age nine, a child has it's whole life ahead. A whole life to build relationships whether they be long-lasting or not, to 'experiment' (or not as the case may be), to learn and understand the nature of not only their own sexuality but that of others. I just feel it should be taken more slowly - a child should be allowed to absorb each step in the journey without having to rush into the next one. So to speak.

It's as if we have to cram their heads with as much knowledge as possible in the shortest time possible. And, again, this leads me back to the belief that sex education is being driven by our now overtly sexual culture - and pornography. Indirectly, of course. In order to protect them from what they might see at the press of a key on their smart phones, or what information and graphic illustrations that might appear on their screens sent by their more worldly school mates, we have to 'force-feed' them with information that they might not really be quite mature enough to appreciate or even understand. Some nine year olds - and older - are still at the stage where they think the opposite sex is a 'bore' or a PITA. I know of one child neighbour (nine or ten not sure) who, when asked if she had a 'boyfriend' rolled her eyes in exasperation and told us that 'boys' were just so "stupid". I don't think she's quite ready to absorb the area of anal or oral sex just yet. She's very much into her hobbies of horse-riding, puppy-rearing and ballet.

If she were my daughter, I'd want there to be a little pause in her sex education if it included such information. There should be no great rush. Plenty of time in the next couple of years to get to grips with it. No?

Dickens

Norah

We had sex education lessons in school. I've no angst with age appropriate lessons about bodies, puberty, reproduction, consent, saying no - but I don't believe children need to learn about anal sex in school lessons.

We'd pull ours out of such lessons until their ages were appropriate. Parents can teach this themselves, they've lived it.

Musing over your comment, the thought occurred to me - what's the bloody hurry...

At age nine, a child has it's whole life ahead. A whole life to build relationships whether they be long-lasting or not, to 'experiment' (or not as the case may be), to learn and understand the nature of not only their own sexuality but that of others. I just feel it should be taken more slowly - a child should be allowed to absorb each step in the journey without having to rush into the next one. So to speak.

It's as if we have to cram their heads with as much knowledge as possible in the shortest time possible. And, again, this leads me back to the belief that sex education is being driven by our now overtly sexual culture - and pornography. Indirectly, of course. In order to protect them from what they might see at the press of a key on their smart phones, or what information and graphic illustrations that might appear on their screens sent by their more worldly school mates, we have to 'force-feed' them with information that they might not really be quite mature enough to appreciate or even understand. Some nine year olds - and older - are still at the stage where they think the opposite sex is a 'bore' or a PITA. I know of one child neighbour (nine or ten not sure) who, when asked if she had a 'boyfriend' rolled her eyes in exasperation and told us that 'boys' were just so "stupid". I don't think she's quite ready to absorb the area of anal or oral sex just yet. She's very much into her hobbies of horse-riding, puppy-rearing and ballet.

If she were my daughter, I'd want there to be a little pause in her sex education if it included such information. There should be no great rush. Plenty of time in the next couple of years to get to grips with it. No?

Most girls will enter puberty between 8 and 13 and most boys between 9 and 14.

Sorry that posted itself Dickens. Why the "bloody hurry" you ask. Why do you think secrecy is better?

DaisyAnneReturns

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

Perhaps the question we really should be asking is why some adults want pre-pubescent children to have detailed knowledge of a variety of sexual practices. And to be told that these are enjoyable.

🤔

Voluntary ignorance is the worst type of ignorance

Lathyrus

DaisyAnneReturns

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

Perhaps the question we really should be asking is why some adults want pre-pubescent children to have detailed knowledge of a variety of sexual practices. And to be told that these are enjoyable.

🤔

We're decidedly NOT interested in pre-pubescent children having detailed knowledge of any sexual practices. End of.

Don't worry Norah that's not happening

Lathyrus

DaisyAnneReturns

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

Perhaps the question we really should be asking is why some adults want pre-pubescent children to have detailed knowledge of a variety of sexual practices. And to be told that these are enjoyable.

🤔

That is a dubious interpretation of the curriculum Lathyrus. Where is there any proof that this is what is happening?

VioletSky

Voluntary ignorance is the worst type of ignorance

I agree.

That would be “Dont worry, that’s not happening.”

It's not though, not in PSHE in Y4 in primary schools

And trying to make schools or their staff look the way you have been trying on this thread won't alter facts

Where is your evidence Lathyrus

So far we have seen none, but we have seen the actual curriculum. I would really appreciate some facts to back what seems to be misplaced outrage.

Didn't parents have their children taken away years ago because news papers, based on no facts, stirred up outrage?

I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.

We didn't have any sex education in my school in the late 50s except for rabbits in Biology. When my friend and I were 16 we had to buy a book intended for engaged couples to find out any details about what actually happened. Up till then we'd had no idea what our boyfriends were on about and we were really very lucky not to end up pregnant.

I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.
That makes perfect sense to me, and I am very much in favour of talking about bodies and how they change, as well as why and how it feels. I also agree that this should happen before the changes start to happen to the children.

But I don’t think that sexual acts need to be discussed in any detail at that age.