Elective Abortion Prohibited During Pandemic

In 2018 there were 289 abortions after 24 weeks. A minuscule number and although I can’t find the reasons, I suspect many of those will be for abnormality which wasn’t diagnosed until later. The vast majority, over 90%, were performed prior to 13wks and 80% were performed before 10wks.

This demonising of women by others is a disgrace. My dd is hoping to go into women’s health as a doctor and even at her tender age she already shows more non-judgemental compassion and understanding than some women twice or three times her age.

I didn't know I was pregnant until I was 16 weeks with DD2 so a woman can find out later than usual.

Perhaps the men whose wives went behind their backs should not have put their wives into a situation where they felt they could not discuss it. They are probably the same men who believe that whenever they wake up wanting it, they should get it, no matter how prepared their wives are.

I have no religious affiliations, just moral obligations from an ethical point of view.

I wouldn't call 24 week abortions rare ! It's the whole timings of abortion that are wrong and unethical. This, believe it or not is the cut-off point for abortions----babies have lived at 24 weeks, can't you see that ?

And you would know that paddyanne ?

Yes there are those who dont know they're pregnant until late on BUT late abortions are still very rare

I don't think anybody is suggesting that EllanVannin shouldn't have or express a certain opinion. They are just disagreeing with that opinion and stating that, a person who has that opinion should obviously be allowed to exercise it on her own behalf, but not on behalf of others who have a different opinion.

As to"ganging up" - I think that is ridiculous. I have on several threads expressed a view which is one on which that the vast majority of posters strongly express their disagreement. I do not interpret that as "ganging up" (except when posters start having little side conversations impugning the character of the poster with whom they disagree) but just of people expressing what they feel.

Going behind the backs of their men? Men need to take more responsibility for birth control IMO.

No need for the nastiness from the usual bunch either ! Neither is there a need to gang up !!

I was expressing my opinion in answer to yours and my view is every bit as important and as valid as yours.

Yes, I had sympathy at the time because these procedures were mostly young girls some of whom had sailed in from Northern Ireland, a feat in itself.
Older women I had no sympathy for because they should have known better----going behind the backs of their husbands/partners.

There's no excuse whatsoever given the amount of birth control items/medication/injections.

paddyanne, there are still the minority who remain unaware of their pregnancies until a later date.

The really frightening thing in that article was the last paragraph which says a law was passed in 6 states forbidding abortion once a heartbeat has been found (around 5 or 6 weeks before many women even know they are pregnant) . The law makes no exceptions for rape or incest. It is currently not being implemented but really it is a sign that policies are on the rise which damage women.

Well said eazybee.

As has been said the anti abortion lobby is far stronger in the US, some states are very restrictive. Lots of US politics are not logical to us, the Gun lobby is another amongst many.

I didn't know that abortion clinics were being closed.
Too late now for those who need one, but I do feel, with every type of birth control being available, and free, that the need for abortion should have been reduced. Instead it seems to have increased.
Ellen Vannin is entitled to express her opinion.
Back street abortions were resorted to at a time when it was almost impossible to keep a child as a single mother, and birth control was not available for unmarried women.

Desperate women will resort to desperate measures. We don't want to go back to the days of the coat hanger abortion. This is simply an excuse by the Ohio anti abortionists. One wonders if they'll reinstate elective abortions after the crisis.

A woman's body belongs to her. In my opinion, it is just as wrong to force a woman to give birth to a child she does not wish to give birth to as it is to force a woman to abort a child that she wants.

Women (and men) are entitled to their opinions and to making choices for themselves in line with those opinions. In my view, though, they are not entitled to control another woman's body and life by forcing her to have a child she does not wish to have.

We already have thousands of children in care homes and foster homes, with a significant proportion of those children experiencing emotional difficulties and mental health issues in adult life. Why not concentrate on children such as these who are already here? But that would require far more commitment of energy, time and money than carrying posters around and harassing women when they are at their most vulnerable.

What other unessential surgery/treatment is being prohibited discontinued during the pandemic? This news does not exist in a vacuum.

Well said, Paddyanne at 22.03.

If women are using TOP as birth control I’d venture to say there’s a heck of a lot more going on in their lives than a snapshot in a gynae clinic can show you. I only know one person that did use it as BC and quite frankly, I would not like to have lived her life.

Hear hear paddyanne

Exactly paddyanne.

I fyou worked in agynae clinic then you must knowthat 20 week terminations are a rare thing and for high risk medical reasons only

I dont think anyone LIKES abortions but we do realise its necessary to have them available .It would destroy whole families in some cases if mothers were forced to carry and give birth to babies that ..for whatever reason..they felt they didn't want/couldn't cope with .Denying the right because of the pandemic is political ,nothing else

EllanVannin Sat 21-Mar-20 20:33:55
I only believe in abortions if it's a matter of life and death to the mother, or/and both. In such a medical emergency it would be carried out.
It's not known if this is a form of birth control ?

I am also anti abortion. So I would never have one. I don't have the right to make that choice for others though. Their body. Their choice.

If abortion isn't available for a woman that wants it, it will cost a LOT more in the long run, if she's forced to have the baby.

Most abortions these days are chemical. Take a couple of pills and abort at home over a couple of days UNLESS unlucky enough to have complications. Not a lot of cost involved there.