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Doodledog Mon 27-Jul-26 00:15:14

As we all get a bit older, how reasonable is it to expect others of our age to change who they are? Should we just 'suck up' irritations and, outside of gross aberrations, accept people even when they irritate us?

I have a group of friends who I love dearly. We have been on holiday together and enjoyed many nights out, nights in and so on, and I would miss any of them if things changed.

But. Two of them seem to be annoying one another. Both are independent women who have no husbands, and are used to thinking of themselves first. Fine. As we age, life experiences do shape us, and I do understand someone who has lived for ages not wanting to be told what to do. People do get stuck in their ways, but IMO have to recognise that so do others.

Both of the women I mention are dominant personalities in different ways - one is much more passive aggressive than the other, but for me, and for the fourth member of our little group - the end result is the same, really. They both want control. Passive aggressiveness infuriates me, so I am more inclined to feel support for the more aggressive one, but then I'm not keen on that either 🙄.

This plays out in ways that might seem trivial, but it's things like A might say 'I thought we'd get something to eat on the way home?' and B will say, 'I'm not hungry' almost as a challenge, and the stage is set.

Equally, B is very capable of announcing that she is hungry, and we all have to stop and eat as a result, so I'm not siding with one or the other.

Whatever one wants to do, the other doesn't, and the whole shebang becomes fraught. Neither of them asks the four of us what we want to do, which would be my preferred approach, but as I don't drive, I don't have a say, really.

As an example, we recently ended up in a place that A had suggested and B didn't like, and B threatened to go home, getting a relative to collect her. A, who was driving, pretended to take her at her word and said, 'OK, see you next week'. Awkard.

As it was, B backed down and we all went to the place A wanted to go to, but it was a difficult situation. I get it - by older age, some people have had enough of being co-opted into things they don't fancy. Others are just used to doing what they like when they like, and think if they fancy fish and chips on the pier then a steak pie in a pub or a curry just doesn't cut it. Both of those things make sense. But when there are four of you trying to navigate a day out, how do you make it work?

I don't mind going with the flow. I would say in advance if I had to be back early for some reason, and not go if that would get in the way. Let's assume I am C, and that D is fairly easy going and, like me, just goes with the flow.

But what would you do about the tension between A and B? I think that if we were younger, the group would split, but as it is, I think it would be a shame if that happened, as we do get on, and have had so many good times together.

Doodledog Mon 27-Jul-26 12:10:57

Aveline

It not a molehill to Doodledog it's a genuine difficult situation to live with. Social interaction can be fraught with discomfort. Some good suggestions made already.

Thanks, Aveline, and thanks for a lot of helpful suggestions, which I have taken on board.

I’m out now, as I don’t see my friends as toddlers, so that way of thinking is not helpful at all.

SueDonim Mon 27-Jul-26 12:23:55

As older women, are we being advised to put ourselves first, whatever the cost to anyone else? I guess it’s the way I was brought up, but I couldn’t do repeatedly do something that made someone else miserable. It’s just not my nature and imo, isn’t how I would treat my friends.

Spontaneity, whilst it can be fun, can also be hard for some people to deal with. I think that can also depend on who is being spontaneous! I have a friend who is very kind and sweet but her spontaneity can mean you end up in an undesirable situation - that has happened twice to me in the last year and I no longer go out with her in her car, I’ll take mine instead.

In your situation, Doodledog, as you want to keep going as a group, it sounds as though pre-planning could well be your answer. That, and asking not issuing ultimatums.

Tenko Mon 27-Jul-26 13:37:33

Phew , sounds stressful . I’m in a few friendship groups and we do a WhatsApp’s poll for things to do or places to eat and stick to the plans .
Op have the two women always been dominant and pass ag or is this a new thing ?

greyfur Mon 27-Jul-26 17:03:57

Hats off to you Doodledog for sticking with this tricky situation.

Oreo Mon 27-Jul-26 19:06:13

It’s hard if not virtually impossible to get people to change, it’s nothing to do with treating friends as toddlers.These two friends are spoiling things for the group as a whole and making tense situations.
They must be thick skinned not to see it.Only a conversation with them both by the group will have a possibility of change.

Casdon Mon 27-Jul-26 19:14:57

I think C&D need to organise a day out, by bus or train if neither drive, and ask A&B if they want to come.

If you are passive, not wanting to rock the boat or say anything about A and B’s behaviour, it will just carry on as it is or get worse. If you two get into the driving seat (not literally), your voices will start to be heard - and if they don’t want to go, the two of you will have a nice conflict free day out anyway?