Corbyn now Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour 🤔

BlueBell you are taking extremes , the king v me , the country is not divided as such

Maremia

Are we allowed to do a a straw poll here? If so,
'How many on here think that Raynor is more uncouth than Anderson, (who used the actual 'f' word)?'

Simple. They’re both uncouth.

Thank you DaisyAnne and others who supported what you said about me, for your glowing reference on my understanding and character

henetha

I realise there is much to respect about Angela Rayner, but no matter what I cannot bring myself to like her or want her as Deputy Prime Minister. She is just too uncouth for me.
I don't think it's snobbish to say that. And we are all allowed our opinion.
Great problems about who to vote for at the next GE.
Definitely not Tory though.

Why do you feel the need to like her, I wonder? If she does the job that she is given well, to some extent we don't even need to know anything about her, except that her boss believes she is capable.

I can understand the need for us to have a little more knowledge of our local MP. However, personality varies and a good team is best made up of a variety of personalities.

henetha

I realise there is much to respect about Angela Rayner, but no matter what I cannot bring myself to like her or want her as Deputy Prime Minister. She is just too uncouth for me.
I don't think it's snobbish to say that. And we are all allowed our opinion.
Great problems about who to vote for at the next GE.
Definitely not Tory though.

And yet people weren’t bothered about Johnson appearing hung over at airports, or with his shirt hanging out. I was totally embarrassed seeing him on the world stage obese and with his tousled hair. But hey, he could speak Latin and spoke with a posh voice. I wonder how many of our Eton educated MP’s would have even passed their A levels if mummy and daddy hadn’t’ve had the money to pay for their education?

maddyone

Maremia

Are we allowed to do a a straw poll here? If so,
'How many on here think that Raynor is more uncouth than Anderson, (who used the actual 'f' word)?'

Simple. They’re both uncouth.

👍

Whitewavemark2

Who is the woman that gave the finger to the press?

Remind me who is uncooff and vulgar😄😄😄

Princess Anne

All tory MP’s were not educated at Eton

Anniebach you’re right!

Nor did all Oxford graduates attend the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called. My son didn’t, and neither did any of his friends.
What did he do?
Worked hard and graduated with a first class degree in Jurisprudence.

I meant the ones that ended up in the cabinet or rose to become PM.

That's a good point, DAR. We don't necessarily have to like our politicians. But I still feel quite strongly that I would not want her as our DPM.
I think quite a lot of people were bothered about Johnson's appearance and demeanour, MayBee70, eventually, if not at first. After his massive victory many people soon became disenchanted. And his posh voice etc, meant nothing to me.
I never have voted Conservative.

I think quite a lot of people were bothered about Johnson's appearance and demeanour, MayBee70, eventually, if not at first.

Yes, there was a lot of criticism of Johnson's hair, for instance.

Angela has the most beautiful hair 😃

maddyone Tony Benn the God of Labour left was educated at Westminster School, owned a country estate , a typical
Labour MP ? No

maddyone

Anniebach you’re right!

Nor did all Oxford graduates attend the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called. My son didn’t, and neither did any of his friends.
What did he do?
Worked hard and graduated with a first class degree in Jurisprudence.

With all due respect to your son maddyone, he wouldn’t have been eligible to be a member of the Bullingdon Club, it’s by invitation only, for the rich and privileged. It’s actually quite scary to see how many government ministers have been members, given its roots and reputation.
owlcation.com/humanities/The-Bullingdon-Club-for-Elites-Only

Maremia

Are we allowed to do a a straw poll here? If so,
'How many on here think that Raynor is more uncouth than Anderson, (who used the actual 'f' word)?'

I don't think it is worth it. Two isolated incidents of 'earthy' language in public are probably the tip of an iceberg of 'earthy' language used not so publicly by politicians of all colours.

Though don't we all know that Johnson is well known for his much reported 'fuck business' remark; which appeared to do him no harm whatsoever? I can't remember it provoking a great outburst of pearl clutching here on Gnet. Personally, it was the sentiment expressed, rather than the language in which it was expressed that bothered me...

Let's just accept that many people use 'earthy' language a great deal and that the meaning of what they say is more relevant than how they say it.

But it’s the inverted snobbery that I myself have been subjected to on a few occasions when I’ve mentioned that my son went to Oxford Maybee. I’m not particularly discussing on Gransnet, although it has happened today on this very thread, but from other people outside of Gransnet. It’s the regular pictures of the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called, the regular snide remarks about privilege and Eton, it’s the comments I’ve been subjected to from ordinary everyday people. Why?
Thousands upon thousands of ordinary kids go to Oxford and Cambridge and do their work and graduate and most of them don’t come from over privileged backgrounds. Possibly look at St Andrew’s for that. They come from ordinary families and ordinary schools but are maligned for whatever reason people think appropriate.
Maybe it’s resentment about high achievers or maybe it’s ingrained inverted snobbery, but probably most of it comes out of ignorance of the true situation at these universities.

with all respect to your son maddyone, he wouldn’t have been eligible to be a member of the Bullington Club

I can only say thank God for that Casdon.
I’m not sure he would have joined if he’d been asked.
He was a member of the Labour Party at the time

It’s wasn’t just Johnson s demeanour or stupid look or daft hair but his words like Spaxxxx up a wall or picxxxxxies or the derogatory way he spoke of Muslims was that ok because it was said with a posh accent It’s ok for Michael gove to stick stuff up his nose or Matt what his face, to have his hands up a woman’s dress because they speak with a non northern accent, or a man to use the f word but not ok to be a person who basically brought herself up from nothing and speaks with a load accent

We ve all been remarking on the softly spoken angelic faced Lucy Ledby makes you laugh really, what a snobby country we really are

It’s the regular pictures of the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called, the regular snide remarks about privilege and Eton,

It's because we are talking about people from that particular milieu who form a disproportionate number of people who entirely undeservedly attain high government office.

Those are generalisations, and incorrect. No one has said it's ok for those people to behave as they do because of their posh accent. It's obviously not ok.
We are no snobbier than other countries. It's normal to talk about people in the news, like Lucy Letby. And in some countries we would be imprisoned for stating our views about politicians.

maddyone 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

BlueBelle do you mean Matt Hancock? I don’t think he had a hand up a woman’s dress😄He was filmed in his office with his lover.As for drugs, well, I bet a good half of the HOC have sniffed up or taken some.
Doubt it’s anything to do with Northern accents.
Everyone I know disliked how Boris presented himself and said so and would have done regardless of accent.
Yeah, there’s snobbery and also inverted snobbery too.

Anniebach

maddyone Tony Benn the God of Labour left was educated at Westminster School, owned a country estate , a typical
Labour MP ? No

You're forgetting that his father was made a Labour peer in the days before creating hereditary peerages was stopped and that he fought a long battle to have the peerage he inherited removed.

The country estate is irrelevant. Do you really think that people should chose their political stance on the basis of their wealth and possessions? Or that they are only genuinely Labour if they posses little or nothing at all?

MaizieD
The country estate isn’t irrelevant if you want to walk the coastal path on the Dengie peninsula.
The family blocked the sea wall off outside the house which meant if the tide was in you had a few miles detour.
Maldon council have been disputing this issue for years, and his son, Hillary has the brass neck to put forward a bill to open up all coastal paths.

As a matter of interest surveys have been carried out in to how people view accents, regional or otherwise and I think these still colour our views. I remember a study, admittedly many years ago, where a teacher went into a school and put on a strong Birmingham accent and the content of his lesson was regarded as poor. He went into a different school to give the same lesson using rp accepted accent and was applauded as a brilliant teacher. Ok that was a long time ago but aren’t most of us guilty of holding preconceived notions about a person by their accent? However filth is filth in any language whoever is using it.

Maizie how is Rayner being a mother at 16 relevant yet living in a country estate not relevant for a Labour MP. ?