I’m fuming!

A birthday lunch can be rebooked

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

I know a birthday lunch can be rebooked Argy but bear I mind my 97 year old friend who lives alone doesn’t have many more or any more birthdays to look forward to.

Nannytopsy what a dreadful position your Doctor son was in with such a sick baby.

I appreciate the urgency of the climate control issue which needs to be addressed in another way, not one that could cause death to a sick child.

We’re on the M25 today going down to look after our 2 grandsons for 10 days ! Bearing in mind DH has a heart condition I want a smooth journey. Fingers crossed.

They are alienating the very people whose support they need. A few years ago Extinction Rebellion blocked a major road into a city - someone attempting to get to hospital to see their dying parent wasn't able to get there in time. When a spokesperson for the group was asked how they would feel if someone died because they were unable to get to medical help the reply was that it would be "an acceptable if regrettable occurrence"

Calendargirl

^A birthday lunch can be rebooked^

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

People have waited ages for operations, people could also be I'll and in pain for longer, or even die.
I am sick of them, and I can say hand on heart, if I was one of the cars they stopped, I would happily help drag them of the motorway.

The protestor yesterday was not in the motorway, she has climbed onto one of the gantries over it.

I’m the video she posted she looked well secured and in no danger of falling.

They should have left her there and kept the M25 open.

They had to shut the motorway as the people on the gantry with huge posters distracts motorists who look at them and take their eyes of the road, causing a potentially dangerous situation.

vegansrock

They had to shut the motorway as the people on the gantry with huge posters distracts motorists who look at them and take their eyes of the road, causing a potentially dangerous situation.

I use the M25 frequently there is so much road signage and graffiti on bridges the odd banner would make no difference whatsoever to the regular commuter’s.

Just announced on the new that they are blocking the M25 again this morning, if it’s near me that is my entire day gone to pot and I will be fuming 🤬🤬🤬

This is a video of Roger Hallam, the alleged founder of Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion, etc.
This is a seriously creepy disturbed man.

twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1589685496287879169?s=61&t=k73OwJKx3NwBffBvysl-fA

grannydarkhair

This is a video of Roger Hallam, the alleged founder of Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion, etc.
This is a seriously creepy disturbed man.

twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1589685496287879169?s=61&t=k73OwJKx3NwBffBvysl-fA

I have seen that, he resembles a cult leader to me.

Exceptionally dangerous for vulnerable young people.

Calendargirl

^A birthday lunch can be rebooked^

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

Not necessarily - at 97 this lady’s days are almost certainly numbered, and urgent medical treatment is precisely that. Whether it affects you and yours or A.N.Other it constitutes unacceptable behaviour and were someone to die because of the delay I would hold the protesters collectively and personally legally responsible

M0nica

But what this group are doing is not passive resistance. Passive resistance works because of the huge number of people who support the cost.

This little group of vandalistic and selfish people, have no followers or any purpose beyond causing other people inconvenience and difficulty. Their antics lead to extra petrol and diesel being used.

I think a world wide campaign of passive resistance to governments not reacting fast enough to climate change would be wonderful and, probably could do more to accelerate the move away from carbon based fuels, than almost anything else.

If the population as a whole could be activated to do all they could within their own lives to reduce thei carbon footprint and if more and more people would write to their MPs, ask politicians at every opportunity about responses to climate change, then politicians will push the agenda themselves.

But sticking yourself to pictures and shutting motorways in the rush hour does b*gger all to reduce carbon emissions

I didn’t mean they were using passive resistance MOnica. M sorry it read like that.

It was a response to Wyllow who talked about her Quaker friends whose peaceful protests were ineffective.

I wanted to point out that passive resistance can be effective when it affects those who hold power or hits the pocket.

I hope that’s cleared up the mistake in my post.

I was about to go looking for the Roger Hallam video I saw last night, very disturbing. I'm sure he was the one, who when asked if it was acceptable if somebody died in an ambulance because it couldn't get through, replied 'yes'. Of course he'd know it wasn't someone of his that was in there. It never is. Other people are expendable.

MawtheMerrier

Calendargirl

A birthday lunch can be rebooked

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

Not necessarily - at 97 this lady’s days are almost certainly numbered, and urgent medical treatment is precisely that. Whether it affects you and yours or A.N.Other it constitutes unacceptable behaviour and were someone to die because of the delay I would hold the protesters collectively and personally legally responsible

I was not agreeing to the protests one iota.

My remarks have been misinterpreted, I fear.

I was meaning that the protestors might review their actions if it impacted directly on them or their loved ones.

Apologies if that came across wrongly.

Well here we go again.!!!

We are all packed up ready to get on the M25 travelling from South Bucks to near Brighton to look after the DGSs and there are Protestor stoppages in 2 place we hope to pass through.

We’ve decided to wait until this afternoon before setting off and if the motorway is still closed will have to embark on a much longer journey to reach our destination. At 76 and 77 we don’t like driving in the dark but that may happen.

I am thoroughly sick of these Protestors and I too would join youRafich dragging these mindless people out of the way and the mood I’m in I would give them a kick in my old lady shoes 👞

If I get there today I will let you know.

Still fuming 😡😡

NanKate

Well here we go again.!!!

We are all packed up ready to get on the M25 travelling from South Bucks to near Brighton to look after the DGSs and there are Protestor stoppages in 2 place we hope to pass through.

We’ve decided to wait until this afternoon before setting off and if the motorway is still closed will have to embark on a much longer journey to reach our destination. At 76 and 77 we don’t like driving in the dark but that may happen.

I am thoroughly sick of these Protestors and I too would join youRafich dragging these mindless people out of the way and the mood I’m in I would give them a kick in my old lady shoes 👞

If I get there today I will let you know.

Still fuming 😡😡

The motorway is open clockwise, could you go that way?

Thanks GG that might be a last resort. It would be a lot further and not a motorway we know.

I think these people are protesting in the wrong places. Maybe outside the embassies of those countries that are doing nothing about the climate would be a better target

CraftyGranny

I think these people are protesting in the wrong places. Maybe outside the embassies of those countries that are doing nothing about the climate would be a better target

Problem is everyone would just ignore their protest it would not effect anyone's daily life. Unfortunately due to health and safety they can't be ignored up on a motorway gantry, if they just opened the motorway up they would soon get bored.
Stiff custodial sentences might deter them a couple of years at his majesties pleasure with no parole might make them think twice.

CraftyGranny

I think these people are protesting in the wrong places. Maybe outside the embassies of those countries that are doing nothing about the climate would be a better target

Every country is damaging the climate at the moment, although some more than others.

Extremes, and combinations in-between:

Excessively high energy USE in everyday life and depleting the planets' resources because the level of consumption is not congruent with maintaining the planet itself

ABUSE of resources that keep our climate healthier

Excessively high use of resources that pollute for industry etc

In these there is a mix of very rich countries, very poor countries (cannot wean themselves off resources sale/use with out help), and lots of in-betweeners.

We’re there Phew. Only took a couple of hours plus a short stop at Services. So relieved.

Thanks for the supportive replies. 👍

Wish they could just leave there stuck to the road, no food or toilets, but we need the roads, so send them the bills or stop their benefits.

That is what they did in Germany when they played their tricks at a Car Museum. Lights and heating went off as usual when the museum reached closing time and the protestors complaained because they were left cold, and with out food and water, plus any means of going to the loo, even thought hey had asked for them!!!

We are not the only ones suffering with these loons.

French police have ripped them from the roads, Italian citizens have also ripped them from the roads. As Monica mentions, they were left in the museum in Germany during the night without any facilities provided. It seems others who are in the EU do not take such a passive approach.

I do think ripping them from the roads is a step too far. They may well leave their skin behind and as a result they will be disabled for life.

However much I disagree with these demonstrators and have nothing but contempt for their pointless attention seeking, I do not think their behaviour justifies the police, or any other person deliberately giving them a life-long disability.

Well, perhaps they should think about the consequences of their stupid actions MOnica.

That’s the whole point. If they thought that they would be ‘ripped’ from the road, they probably wouldn’t be so keen to do it.