So now we know why the Queen died

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think there is a far cry from thinking that the "old age" is unusual after Harold Shipman and "hastening her departure." I have no doubt it was natural causes and I suspect that everybody else on this thread does too from what I've seen. That is very different from wanting a more pinpointed reason.

and "Well, something hastened her demise and it's normally mentioned, e.g., pneumonia, stroke, heart attack etc.

If you’re going to quote me, I have already said, my post was just an opinion/ observation - call it what you like but please NOT a conspiracy theory.

Icanhandthemback Conspiracy theories are not far away when people post things like "do you really think they will ever tell their subjects the truth?" and "Well, something hastened her demise and it's normally mentioned, e.g., pneumonia, stroke, heart attack etc." and "Well, I think it’s strange that the real cause of death wasn’t mentioned either."

My condolences to you and to your friend SueDonim. A terrible shock. ?

I'm sorry to hear that SueDonim. I hope your friend has family near to support her and I'm sure you will do what you can to help.


UTIs can be dangerous if not treated promptly.

I have pmd you.

Sorry to hear that SueDonim. Condolences to your friend.

Condolences SueDonim

Well, here’s a thing. I had a phone call this morning to say a friend’s husband has died. He had a run-of-the-mill urine infection which was being treated at home.

Last night, he was already in bed while she went to get his last dose of AB’s of the day. When she came back, he was dead! ?

The GP came out and certified the death - I don’t know what was put as the cause - and they can now proceed with funeral arrangements.

Not the news I was expecting to have this morning, as you may imagine, though I didn’t really know him, just his wife.

This has become quite a long thread and my memory isn't the best but has anyone even suggested a conspiracy to see her off prematurely have they, Eloethan?

I think that the only thing people have questioned is that, after Harold Shipman, death by 'old age' is not used now on a death certificate and whether she might have had an underlying condition which has not been disclosed.

Whether it is anybody else's business is a different question altogether.

M0nica

Merlotgran there was nothing remarkably hastened about the Queen's death. It is quite common for someone of her age to have been drifting gently downhill for many months, as the Queen had since Prince Phillip died and then one morning not to wake up, or as in her case, suddenly tip over the edge, so that the family have to be sent for at speed.

Perfectly normal.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but a stroke or sudden heart attack could have hastened the Queen’s death.

My mother was also 96 when she died so I’m not unfamiliar with the effects of old age.

Sadly, not every 96-year old gets the same consideration.

www.homecare.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1677356/Frightened-woman-aged-96-spends-40-hours-on-hospital-trolley

Same with my Mum- they did a pm because they weren’t exactly sure of the cause of death.. I am sure the queen had the absolute best of care and faded away gracefully in the presence of her family.

When my Mum died, 4 weeks shy of her 100th birthday, following being hospitalised after a fall which fractured her hip, she had to have a post mortem to establish the exact cause - this delayed her funeral several weeks.

I watched a documentary about Harold Shipman, who signed off many of the deaths of his patients as just "old age". It was subsequently proposed that "old age" was not, on its own, a specific enough cause because it could encourage misuse.

I take it none of those who smell a conspiracy to see her off "prematurely" have had a relative live to a healthy old age, 90 or 100 or more, then fail rapidly in all departments over a few months before dying suddenly and peacefully of nothing-in-particular?

M0nica

Merlotgran there was nothing remarkably hastened about the Queen's death. It is quite common for someone of her age to have been drifting gently downhill for many months, as the Queen had since Prince Phillip died and then one morning not to wake up, or as in her case, suddenly tip over the edge, so that the family have to be sent for at speed.

Perfectly normal.

A bit like a very old car, where all the parts start to wear out and rust, and finally the engine gives up? (Not being flippant, just a parallel.)

On one of my ancestors death certificates cause of death is said to be ‘visitation of god’!!!

Merlotgran there was nothing remarkably hastened about the Queen's death. It is quite common for someone of her age to have been drifting gently downhill for many months, as the Queen had since Prince Phillip died and then one morning not to wake up, or as in her case, suddenly tip over the edge, so that the family have to be sent for at speed.

Perfectly normal.

As I've said before, there's nothing remotely unusual about having Old Age on a death certificate.

I'm not sure why people are questioning it.

I've seen a great many death certificates over the years and there's plenty of Old Age deaths recorded

I did see one that said Old Age due to Sedentary Lifestyle. I would I imagine that at 101, sedentary living was pretty much the norm

merlotgran

Well, something hastened her demise and it's normally mentioned, e.g., pneumonia, stroke, heart attack etc.

There was a last minute panic to get her close relatives there so 'old age' sounds like the kind of thing you tell a grandchild when the beloved old family dog has just died.

I reckon the catalyst was having to deal with Boris Johnson & Liz Truss 48 hours before her death.

Maybe she had no will to go on after losing Prince Phillip.

As a retired GP I always found being able to write Old Age on a death certificate very useful if there was no evidence for a definite event like a heart attack , stroke or pulmonary embolus. Sometimes people just fade away and it is hard to beat Old age as an accurate cause of death.

Old age seems a perfectly satisfactory reason for the death of a 96 year old. Does it really make any difference whether it was heart attack, stroke, heart failure or just a quiet slipping away?

they say death certificates should be read backwards but I think it is fair to say she was old

none of us need to know anything else, it's so mawkish

Well, I think it’s strange that the real cause of death wasn’t mentioned either.

Just to say Old age is very vague.
She must have had something final to finish her of.