Prince Andrew

trisher

I am shocked that you are making any kind of excuse for his behaviour. [shocked]

He needs to own it and take responsibility not have excuses made for him
Nothing lets him off, nothing.

[shocked]

not sure these things work

Alexa, your suggestion that Andrew could start a Twitter the “lowly” end of voluntary work by working with the children involved with the gangs running county lines shows how limited your knowledge is. The level of skill and knowledge needed to attempt to support county lines children is most definitely not at the “lowly” end of the scale. The gangs involved are ruthless and violent.

I think specki is correct, Its time Charles became monarch. No criticism of the queen’s role but I hope she steps aside and allows. Charles and William to modernise

i used the square brackets...oh well it is my spelling

I cross posted with trisher. Andrew is almost 60, at what age do we expect to take responsibility for our actions?
To add on blame to the army for his associations with a serial abuser and exploited of children adds to the notion that somehow, Andrew is absolved from responsibility for his actions.

The staying seven days in a mansion with a guy who had already served a prison sentence, therefore, found guilty is disgraceful.

I hope he retires without all the big dosh he now gets, he can live on his military pension somewhat more lowly

When do we blame upbringing for misdeeds and when do we
ignore upbringing?

I don't understand why some people are putting so much store by Charles. His track record isn't great either. He certainly appears to have very bad judgment in his choice of friends and a misplaced sense of entitlement to interfere in, and try to influence, matters which are strictly beyond his remit, experience and expertise.

What young people's charity would want Andrew - someone who is either incapable of seeing exploitation and lewd/criminal behaviour when it is right in front of his nose, or who decides either to ignore it or take part in it?

trisher He was in the Royal Navy not the Army, and I find your insinuation that spending time in the Forces means that someone is heading for disaster of the kind he finds himself in totally insulting.

is not in

PA has a personal wealth of £57 million pounds though we don't yet know how he did that.
he will never live off of a Navy pension,

P Charles is nothing like his brother!
He is into saving the Planet and Organic Farming.
I don't care that he loved another woman instead of his wife.

At least he is concerned for wildlife and nature........we need to keep the planet healthy so we a future for our DGC
If we have to have a RF I would much rather have a man that cares for the environment

Callistemon there has always been a culture of machismo in the armed forces. It may have been somewhat diluted these days but Andrew was there in the '80s. Perhaps some might escape unscathed but with his family background he was unlikely to. Even at 60 we are the product of our family. Charles escaped by becoming as unlike his father as possible, Andrew adopted the same attitudes but these are different times. I think it's unreasonable to blame someone for the damage their family life has done. By all means disapprove of him and his actions but stop trying to absolve others from blame. He's the product of a ridiculous construct that should have been abolished years ago. The result of hereditary status.

So you know all about the armed forces and in particular the royal Navy, do you trisher?
I very much doubt that.

From accounts I have heard Andrew was not the most popular of officers.
To suggest that being a member of the armed forces should contribute to someone being on the road to disaster ie to an association with paedophiles is disgusting.

I don't think you understand what you have posted.

Perhaps some might escape unscathed
Just appalling.

I am not saying that there are no wrongs but so there are everywhere in society.

I agree, Calistemon.

So much is tabloid fairy tales, Phillip was a philanderer, the queen ignored it, Andrew isn’t Phillips son, let’s not forget both Charles and Edward were gay, the queen mother conceived with the use of a turkey baster, Diana was a Saint,
Margaret had to sacrifice the love of her life.

No other family in this country, on this forum, were divorced, had an affair, had a child who wandered off the straight and
narrow.

The reason they are wealthy we are not. !

Pinkquartz
we don't know yet how he did that
'We' might not but there are quiet a lot of people in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Lybia and Tunisia who do ?

Anniebach Philip definitely was a philanderer it was well known in London city circles. I had family connections there and I was told that he generally liked 'shop girls'. And of course there was the headless man photo. Nowadays the papers would print everything they know, then they didn't.
I don't suppose Andrew was popular goes with the status and his expectations.

trisher yes Phillip had affairs, shop girls ? I doubt sorry,

which decades ?

Of course we are all the 'product of our upbringing', the influence of our family environment can't be disputed. However, to suggest that our patterns of behaviour and relationships are fixed by those experiences and that we have no agency over our behaviour isn't true.
Genetics play a part. So does self determination. It isn't true that everyone who was abused as a child becomes an abuser. Many many people make the decision they won't repeat the things from their own childhood that were damaging, painful or abusive.
Andrew was in the Navy, my father was a Royal Marine, a military service that some like trisher, would dismiss as 'macho'. My dad wasn't Mr Macho, nor did he repeat his own childhood experience of what used to be called "a good hiding" for misdemeanours. He joined the police force after the war, another 'macho' environment. He never raised a finger and I'm not sure he raised his voice either, to we children. He was gentle, kind and set high standards for us in terms of social responsibility, kindness towards others.

I suppose it's too simplistic to say Andrew and his time in the Navy made him macho. There is our genes, our up bringing and also our learning by mistakes. Something goes wrong.....we have a choice to seek help, or to carry on arrogantly doing the same thing.

I think that his time in the n Navy, in the Falklands war, made his mother proud.

The RF are a military family and just about all of them are festooned with medals, but (until PH went to Afghanistan) PA was the only one to have seen active service.

I suspect that has enabled HM to give him a very long leash ever since - up until now.

Absolutely nothing at all to do with his time spent as a Naval Officer, flying helicopters.
You are confusing that with being in the Army as a squaddie.....but even then you would be wrong!

Genetics, power and wealth with everyone around you being servile may well play a part.Being feted wherever you go, and having a weak character perhaps too, but certainly not
Serving in the ‘Senior Service’......if anything that should instill a sense of duty and acting in the right interest of others.