Prince Andrew

A woman who claims to have been a victim has called for-
Prince Andrew and ‘any others’ who knew the billionaire to speak to U.S. Authorities

Any others ?

I agree with Gonegirl. It's safe to say girls and boys of seventeen are not expected to be as worldly as adults of forty or so.
This is the same moral argument as it's wrong for a teacher or doctor to have a relationship with a student , or a patient. The balance of power is wrong. So it's akin to bullying.

PA got the “Randy” prefix just because it rhymed with Andy, no more, obviously he was interested in partying and girls just like most young men including Harry.

What I want to know is why hasn't any of the staff come forward?

They must have had pilots, cleaners, pool workers, admin staff etc etc.

These people must have known what was going on

Not one of them has anything to say?

It's all just awful.

I feel sorry for the Queen.

And of course for the young women

Yes annie ‘any others’ because you know full well that victims of abuse are frequently so damaged that they did not willingly come forward and even more so when the men involved are rich and powerful. They think they won’t be believed for one thing and often blame themselves.Just look at what happened in the RC church in particular - look at the stories coming out now in the historic child abuse enquiry. Coming forward years afterwards is perfectly understandable.

For centuries the great institutions of state - the Royal Family, the Church have been protected from the normal rules of society. Free to do as they wished with impunity and always sure of protection if anything emerged. Thank goodness things are changing - a bit at least.

suzie why ‘any others’, why not names ?

Oh annie when you’re in a hole....

Because he's royal he gets away with sexual abuse?! It's not right and the queen will move heaven and hell to protect her son, so if you have money you CAN buy pretty much anything! Money and power.. castrate all peados and child sex offenders.. well any sexual predator actually ?

suzie must you be so personal? , I question why no other names are given and you say ‘ I am in a hole ‘, no way.

Unlike you I want all involved in this abuse to face justice not just one.

Rudegal. He hasn’t got away with sexual abuse, he hasn’t been charged with sexual abuse.

Look it is happening - and pretty widely across the social spectrum. There is many a man of 40 and older soliciting teen age prostitutes on street corners.

We are not talking morals here we are talking law. The facts are that most of the women who circulate around these very rich men anywhere in the world will be teenagers. Remember Silvio Berlusconi and his friends and young ladies?

In which case if Prince Andrew is going associate with these kinds of people, what is he to do? As I said check everything out before going to bed. perhaps he should also be checking whether they have given full and unthreatened consent to the deed. As things stand this girl's testimony would suggest that she was effectively trafficked by Ghislaine Maxwell.

I am not supporting PA, but I think we need be practical about the problems that face an 'honourable' man in these circumstances. Have sex with a 17 year old in one jurisdiction and it is entirely legal, have sex with the same girl 100 yards down the road in another jurisdiction and you are a child molester.

The simple solution is not to mix in these kinds of circles, but the man is stupid and fool.How is he then to keep safe and protect himself in these circles.

anniebach

the French and American police are after other men. They are not yet ready to go public.

I have written this before but I guess you don't bother to read my posts?

This is just the start, the police want the whole gang but these are rich and powerful men.
They have to have all the witnesses and evidence otherwise the men will wriggle out of it.

Surely you have watched a crime drama?

trisher

you may say that this issue is a waste of time for you to bother with but it is important because it shows the way the very wealthy regards everyone else....as just commodity for their pleasure and use.
I thought you would have seen it that way as you are a staunch Labour supporter.
This is about the abuse of people through money.

Good post MOnica

Could it be she said "any others" because she either didn't know their names or, as is more likely, didn't want to cause more harm to those who choose not to come forward.

Just imagine if when you were 16/17 you had been groomed into having sex with older men but were now married with a family - it would take a great deal of thought and consideration before coming forward and put your family through the ordeal of all that publicity. Would not your first thought be to protect your family from all that?

It would take a great deal of courage because there will always be those who will not believe you or put the blame on you because you were old enough "to know what you were doing"

pinkquartz I read all posts on all threads I post on.

I question why is Andrew the only one named by lawyers and by two women. Why not other names ?

Anniebach

I really do believe it is only him at the moment Because the other names are being approached with more caution or because they need the Maxwell woman. It was a pity that Epstein was bumped off before the trial. allegedly.

the others are going to be trickier.....he is rather stupid and arrogant so I guess was not only the only easy to ID Royal but also the easiest to catch.

MOnica

I think PA needs to be outed for mixing happily with men that are having sex with children. The police say some as young as 12 which us a child in my book.

It is not ok for any man to do this.
The fact that he is a spoilt and indulged Royal means that he should now face consequences.
Also it was against the law when he was in the USA

annie you keep asking questions the answers to which no one knows for sure but some posters have given reasonable possibilities. It’s an ongoing investigation, the FBI ( and tge French police) are involved. You simply appear not to want to address the issue of why he is not offering to be interviewed by the FBI.

Basically you appear to find it difficult to accept that HM’s favourite son has no judgement and probably even fewer morals. As long as Diana and MegHan aren’t involved, you seem to support the RF unquestionably .

Gonegirl

You asked Monica if she thinks it immoral for a 40 year old man to have sex with a 17 year old girl?
This is what I meant in my earlier post, immoral or not, it happens. Lots of girls look much older.
I’m not saying it’s right or acceptable or justifiable, but it happens whether we like it or not.

suzie pity you can’t control your need to make jibes,

Now try to get it right this time ok ?

I am not defending Andrew

I have no recollection of the Queen saying he is her favourite son, you do.

I have not questioned why the FBI have not given names

I question why two alleged victims lawyers have only spoken
of Andrew , is he the only man 50 plus women can remember?

I question why the day after Andrew gave his interview and said he had been a guest on Epstein’s island another alleged victim spoke out for the first time and said Epstein had invited her to visit the island where she could meet Prince Andrew.

Why not speak out two days before? And the lawyers of both woman only speak of Andrew, can they not recall anyone else ?

Well it is nothing new is it. There have been numerous such scandals from child exploitation involving those who should have been regarded as the great and the good.
However we must not mention such things that might, or might not have been happening. In some large childrens homes. Several years ago.

And suzie he has not been asked by the FBI to answer questions, the female lawyer for five of the women has said he
should volunteer to give a statement to the FBI.

Of course he should volunteer - why would he not <scratches head>

Perhaps stop scratching and think there may be people of more importance than a minor royal involved, possibly causing collapse of governments .

Why has the FBI not been involved

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10374027/jeffrey-epstein-victim-prince-andrew-private-island/