Prince Andrew

I absolutely agree with this sentiment.

Amy Middlemiss
@AmyMiddlemiss1

#PrinceAndew is a lying sexual predator and needs to be treated like one. A truly un remarkable human being who has been given every opportunity to be remarkable. How dare you describe yourself as an honourable man. You are the true scum in our society.

Bluebell this about one member of a family not the family

No Anniebach It's just the way that sort behave. And probably paying £12 plus for each cocktail.

No, nothing that we know of Anniebach, but I can't imagine my DD being happy with their father if he was schmaltzing around with young women their age then left with several of them.

I wondered about that too, Callistemon. Andrew is a single man but the girls are close to their mother so maybe Beatrice was embarrassed?

Gonegirl why is it so different to a knees up at any disco/party/nightclub ?

*there was nothing illegal about the party was there?
I think this is losing the point Anniebavh him being at the party is the necessary proof that he’s a liar and if he’s lying about being at the party to cover up his movements then the chances that he knew about the underage sex and the trafficking which he could hardly not know about as he was staying with Epstein in his house with a well known pictures of him seeing young girls out the door almost hiding behind it as he waved them bye bye are we supposed think they d been in to change the towels ?
It’s not proof he took part in this abuse (highly likely he did) but it is proof he knew about it
Sleezball

Bluebell it wasn’t the nightclub the girl said she went to with him , she said a nightclub in London.

The photographs are of a party in Saint Tropez

Agree Gonegirl, 18 November, 9:54. Though someone has pointed out that some girls with whom Epstein had been involved were likely to have been under 16.

What do people think goes on in so-called 'Gentlemen's Clubs' here in the UK? Is this any different? And if not, these 'Gentlement's Clubs' should also be called out.

It's pretty horrible stuff wherever it takes place. Unjustifiable, imo.

I wonder if the young girls are encouraged to take drugs?

But he says he’s never met her anniebach whichever establishment the photo was taken in its proof he’s lying surely

I dunno Ab. I don't do parties. No idea what goes on.

Bluebell did say he had never met her,? he said he doesn’t remember meeting her

The part I struggle to understand is why he felt it was the ‘honourable‘ thing to do to fly out to NY to see JE in person to tell him he was breaking off all contact with him.

WHO on earth would do that?

No they were just getting their stories straight.

This isn’t going away is it?

of course it's true. Why would that young girl have even been upstairs in Maxwells' apartment in the first place if she hadn't been there for other reasons than domestic staff..? She certainly was no dear friend of Maxwell, much less someone who would be introduced to the Prince, in an upstairs hallway. If she had been she would have been invited to the Palace as a friend of Maxwell as Epstein supposedly was ..as a plus one ..

How could this girl possibly have known PA was at Tramps on a certain night, and the Epstein houses on several dates and the fact there were dinner parties on those dates, if she wasn't there?
if she'd lied about it all, why only 3 occasions..why not go the whole hog and exaggerate it.. as one would if one was pying.

I believe her. She could have said they beat her, or kept her in slave like conditions..she didn't, she said she was used as a sex slave but she was paid by Maxwell..handsomely which is why she stayed. Eventually she ran to Australia and got married, and called Epstein to say she would be returning and was told ''have a nice life''.. nothing more. No threats etc.. 6 years later when Epstein was facing his first investigation and ultimately prison time, he tracked her down, with the aid of some heavies, and warned her to keep her mouth firmly closed, she said she would, and did, and ultimately he only served a short sentence. Goodness knows how many others he threatened in the same manner.

Maxwell needs to be put under the spotlight, she's been keeping her head well down...

Am I the only one who thinks that reaction to this sordid story is getting out of hand? In the national press, I mean, not just on here.
P Andrew is horrid and has some very nasty friends. Has prob done some very stupid things.But who cares a fig about this? The outcry seems to me to be schadenfreude. What he is accused of doing is having sex with a girl of 16 in a country where the age of consent is 17. Bad if he realised that, certainly, but would the world be so outraged if he had been a popular footballer or singer? Also, I've seen no evidence to compare Ms Roberts with the young teenagers of Rotherham and Oxford and somehow feel that the comparison belittles their ordeal.
P. A would be well advised to lead a very quiet life for a very long time. What real need is there to take it further? This country has much more important things to worry about.

I find it strange that he could not recollect having that photo taken with the girl with his arm around him

How many random strangers have you had an arm round at some party and a photo was taken and how many of those people could you now name?
Personally I think he's odious, I know people who've worked with him. but in this instance he's been an idiot and is being used as a money pit.
Other than what the woman says is there any evidence? I do know that in the current climate women can make any claims and will be believed. Has she named any other less profitable men?

Sadly One mans meat is another mans poison
[? ]winterwhite,
there’s money to be made ( papers, magazines, photos etc) sad old world , so much inequality.

I think it's true that he had sex with her and, apart from the disgustedness of a man his age having sex with a girl young enough to be his daughter, I don't think it matters. She wasn't forced.

I think he needs a proper job. Why can't they find something for him? Something that doesn't involve too much brain power.

Could they ship him off to manage a charity somewhere?

Or even put him behind the counter in an Oxfam shop.

I don't think charities want to be associated with him now.

Give him a paintbrush and tell him to help with the renovations at Buck House.

I wonder where her parents were?

That's a good idea.

Very confusing. It’s been said the police tracked her down, now Epstein’s heavies tracked her down.

She is honest to admit she was in it for the money.

I assume she kept the photograph because she liked it, would she had kept it if she had been forced to have sex with him .

She was working at Trump's place Mar-el-Lago (sp?) when Epstein spotted her. Is Trump being chased over his involvement as well? What about all the other men?