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Fennel Fri 04-Oct-19 12:00:16

I was in the lift going up to Tesco yesterday, with a Gran and her grandson in a push chair.
The little boy had beautiful auburn hair so I said "He's a real gingernut!" At first I thought the Gran didn't look too pleased, so I said "My hair used to be that colour". After a pause, she said "So was mine".
Do some people take offense at being called Ginger? I got called many teasing names.

SirChenjin Fri 04-Oct-19 16:20:46

I think you’d get similar responses, having been on there for many years - although the language might be a bit more direct. I’m curious though - when was it OK and ‘good humour’ to call a stranger ‘ginger nut’? My mum would’ve been almost 80 if she was still alive and she hated people calling my sister ginger nut.

Fennel Fri 04-Oct-19 16:52:22

I didn't mind - thought it was a compliment. Made us into a special group.
I inherited mine from my Maternal GM, then my mother. They were both beautiful women and very 'feisty'. Two of my children have the same kind of hair, and personal characteristics.

mumofmadboys Fri 04-Oct-19 17:12:28

I wouldn't worry Fennel. The GM realised you weren't being rude when you added you had that colour hair too.

grapefruitpip Fri 04-Oct-19 17:43:41

feisty red head, dumb blonde.

Fennel Fri 04-Oct-19 17:46:08

Thanks mumofmadboys .
Perhaps I'm a modern day version of Tigger from Winnie the Pooh.

Sussexborn Fri 04-Oct-19 17:50:46

I used to be called ‘Titch’ and somehow I survived! Surely it is the tone of voice and not too difficult to work out if someone is making a friendly comment or intending to be rude and hurtful.

BlueBelle Fri 04-Oct-19 18:00:59

Were you called Titch by a total stranger sussexborn
It’s nothing to do with today my friend was bullied yes bullied for being as they called her ‘a ginge ‘ or a ‘gingernut’
It always been a derogatory handle

Summerlove Fri 04-Oct-19 18:11:05

“Somehow I survived”

Bully for you ??‍♀️

Hetty58 Fri 04-Oct-19 18:18:36

Hair isn't ginger - it's red! Are you American, Fennel, or do you just like using the American spelling of offence?

EllanVannin Fri 04-Oct-19 18:24:59

More PC nonsense ( rolls eyes ) So scared to speak out of turn , even when it's not meant as derogatory. It's the complainants fault for suggesting it is in being quick to point out.
In the 50's I can remember my mum using the term " carrot top " , describing children with red hair, but it was never used as an insult and certainly never taken as such.

Fiachna50 Fri 04-Oct-19 18:39:17

I have many redhaired people in my family. Ginger and Gingernut have been used in nasty tones over the years. I would advise using redhaired or auburn. Ginger isnt even a true colour. I would not be happy at Gingernut.

grapefruitpip Fri 04-Oct-19 18:46:28

EV, exactly in the 50's , not now.

Its nothing to do with PC, its wrong, rude and outmoded.

Daisymae Fri 04-Oct-19 18:55:10

A lot of things were said and done in the past, does not mean that they are acceptable today. Things and attitudes change. Thank heaven.

Hetty58 Fri 04-Oct-19 19:03:22

'why is it that people always have to comment when you have red hair?' said my dad. Still, he said it 'saved him' at the boarding school - as the headmaster only fancied the blond boys.

Sara65 Fri 04-Oct-19 19:28:02

I wouldn’t be offended as you obviously meant it as a compliment.

lemongrove Fri 04-Oct-19 20:04:47

Fennel, the mother obviously realised that you liked the colour by what you said.
I like it too, and always wished it was my hair colour ( am blonde, but my best friend at school was a strawberry blonde as she called it, and I always wanted her hair, think Jane Asher.)
I knew several ginger haired children at school, and nobody said anything derogatory to them or I would have known.
However, fast forward to when my DC were at school, and it became the fashion to ‘mock a ginge’ as they then called it, have never understood why.
Since only a small percentage of people possess this lovely hair colour, you would think it would be prized.

Marydoll Fri 04-Oct-19 20:09:36

I'm still have my red hair in my sixties and dislike the term ginger.
However, compliments are often offered in the spur of the moment, so I wouldn't make a fuss about being called ginger

I used to tell the pupils in my class the colour was titian! grin

lemongrove Fri 04-Oct-19 20:16:35

Red hair does have a lot of tones/shades, doesn’t it?
I used to work with somebody who’s natural hair colour was a very dark red, I was fascinated by it ( long wavy and beautiful)
but there are many variations of the colour.

Sara65 Fri 04-Oct-19 21:03:33

It is a beautiful colour, and so many variations, one of my grandchildren is a strawberry blonde and I think it’s lovely.

Tangerine Fri 04-Oct-19 21:26:29

I don't think you meant to be offensive but times change.

In your position, I'd have admired the child's hair perhaps but the word "ginger" for hair is out of bounds these days.

I think you meant to be kind.

DiscoGran Fri 04-Oct-19 21:29:20

Wish I still had my auburn hair, now mainly white, tinted blond.
I agree with Ellan Vannin, OP phrased her comment so as not to give offence.

SueDonim Fri 04-Oct-19 21:57:00

For those who think this is PC nonsense, maybe have a read of this. www.unilad.co.uk/featured/why-is-ginger-bullying-one-of-the-last-acceptable-prejudices/

Doodledog Fri 04-Oct-19 23:14:37

I think so-called 'political correctness' is better described as being considerate of others.

It just means replacing an offensive term with another, more neutral term. It really doesn't matter whether the speaker would or wouldn't be offended - it is the receiver who counts. Manners are about making others feel comfortable, after all.

I think that those who insist on using terms that others find offensive are rude, and often narcissistic, as in refusing to expand their vocabulary they are only thinking of their own 'comfort', and refusing to make an effort.

I think that most people would understand if someone accidentally caused offence by using an outdated term (within reason, however), so long as when it was pointed out, the user changed their ways.

Speaking as a redhead, I don't think that 'ginger' is particularly high on the hierarchy of offensive terms; but any personal remark can cause hurt, and there is no need to point out aspects of someone's appearance, as we don't know one another's insecurities.

grapefruitpip Sat 05-Oct-19 08:44:03

I suppose if you are not sure, you could always ask the person.....how they feel about certain terminology.

If somebody commented on my fat ass or grey roots, I probably wouldn't be that chuffed.

minxie Sat 05-Oct-19 10:25:57

Only a ginger can call another ginger, ginger !
I don’t like being called ginger though