This is not a thread about a thread but...

We had tinned food before we joined the common market didn't we?

Yes, but we didn't have large scale use of food banks, in fact we didn't have food banks at all, or people being fined for having an extra bedroom in their house, or being left for weeks without income because of changes in the benefit system, or people being forced to write endless largely fictitious job applications as a kind of punishment for being unemployed, or unemployed people having benefits withdrawn as punishment for not filling a form in incorrectly.

Why do some on these forums think that the post Brexit world is going to be just like 1945 and that was fine wasn't it. No, it won't be. It's a selfish point of view and just not good enough.

p.s. I agree that there is a lot of apathy as a result of the atrocious handling of the whole post referendum period which is down to Tory party incompetence and internal warfare.

When my Son in law who manages an Audi dealership ( that's cars, not the supermarket) starts to worry I might give it some thought.
As it is, he's not worrying.

I'm concerned about the situation with Brexit but I've got sufficient personal problems of my own to take my mind off it right now. If, and when, I can see a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't an oncoming train, I'll go back to worrying about Brexit.

I know it sounds flippant to say I’m past caring, but I can’t see light at the end of the tunnel, and until I can, I’m just getting on with my own life.

I was a loyal Tory supporter since I could first vote, but I will NEVER vote for them again, and unless there are some massive changes, I probably won’t vote at all, something I never thought I’d hear myself say

Well Petra one of my daughters is involved with research into the changeover from petrol and diesel cars which is intended to happen in the UK in 2040 or perhaps 2035. It made me do a quick bit of Googling, is your son in law out of touch?

www.automobilemag.com/news/audi-struggles-turnaround-plan-ev-e-tron-future-product/

It's a selfish point of view and just not good enough.

No it isn't. I was just stating the obvious!

An increase in the population will have contributed to the problems you mention, notentirelyallhere.

1945 actually wasn't fine.

I seem to remember that when people couldn't pay their electricity they were cut off until they could.

Family allowance was only paid for the second child onwards.

There are plenty of other examples of how life was much tougher in those days.

Nobody is suggesting we turn back the clock. That's just silly.

Of course I am worried. The whole Brexit thing was ill thought out , the referendum was a sop to appease people who might vote UKIP if Cameron didn't do something. He had no back up plan in case the vote was ' leave' , he buggered off to write his memoirs for oodles of £sss like the complete coward he is, rather than stay and assist us in resolving the mess. He didn't stop to think what would happen or attempt to make a back up plan.

We are now in the situation of nobody having a clue about sorting out the mess , we will have to trade under WTO rules and that means tariffs; we don't grow enough food for the country, we don't produce enough of any essential supplies, we don't produce essential medication. In short we are up the creek without a paddle and in a leaky canoe.

So, yes, I am very worried. And please, please can people stop saying we managed before. We are in the 21st century, the world has moved on and we don't have an empire any more .

I can understand people not thinking too much if they have really serious stuff going on in their lives but the fact is that people that are ill are not able to ignore it because Brexit could cause serious problems with their treatment. [this has just been pointed out in parliament by an MP who says she has a relative and constituents who suffer from ulcerative colitis, a condition that is made worse by stress].

She also mentioned serious concerns about the country having access to flu vaccine. And a Welsh MP said they had been shown the yellowhammer documents but were not allowed to divulge the contents to public.

.....and would people please stop saying ‘we are in the 21st century, the world has moved on, and we don’t have an empire any more’ !

I am afraid, I am afraid for the future of this country.
George Orwell wrote that the British people would never allow extremism to take over in our country.
It seems to me that one of the consequences of the referendum has been that expressing views that once would have been regarded as intolerant is now acceptable.
I am afraid that if we don’t leave the EU at the end of October, there will be serious civil unrest.
And if we do leave, without a deal, there will be serious financial consequences which will affect all but the very well off.
And I’m afraid that if there is a general election it would hand power to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell.

How many people have said that lemongrove.....I see one,as part of an interesting and considered post.

Janeainsworth

I agree on every point, but I can’t see how it’s going to be resolved, I really can’t see anyone compromising, or being the bigger person for the sake of the country. So I just don’t want to keep going over and over the same stuff, I have had enough

There will be civil unrest whatever happens - unless we make a deal under which we have exactly the same trading conditions and receive exactly the same financial grants from them as while we were members of the EU, combined with achieving "freedom" from any obligations to the EU to contribute to grants to any other members or to participate in any discussions and law-making.

A no-deal will result in a lot of hardship and complications, which will cause recriminations.
Not leaving will result in demonstrations about the legality of not conforming to the vote, which will cause recriminations.

We are stuffed either way.

Division taking place at this moment on the Commons debate.

I’m still working (NHS) and have children who are at school/university - I’m not hearing anything great in practical terms about Brexit so of course I’m worried. Add to that the looming Scottish independence referendum (which Im pretty sure will swing in favour of separation) and it’s not looking great, just when we’re at a stage in life when we’re looking for stability for ourselves and the DCs so we can plan what we all want to do for our retirement and their work.

Jane10 Monday 13.56

Sums it all up perfectly.

joannapiano coming back to this thread it looks as if the comments were not directed at you, but crossed posts, which can happen.

Coping with that would put everything into perspective.

I’m loving this thread, the majority seem to think like me.
Whenever I say I’m not worried I get shot down in a hail of disapproval.

It’s not that I don’t have opinions, not that I don’t care, just that as I am powerless to do anything about it I can’t worry.
Il do what I always do, deal with it when it comes.

Do the majority think that way Pamela? I had a quick look at the posts and I think the Leavers say they're not worried, the Remainers say they are worried, and everyone else (ie the ones who don't tend to post on the Brexit boards) is split.

PamQS Mon 09-Sep-19 17:19:03 I am worried even though 'nobody I care about is likely to be affected'

One of the problems we have now that I don't think we had 50 years ago is that people only think about themselves. There is less thought given to the common good, its all me, me, me. Any person who thinks about the good of the country, whether politically minded or not, should be worried at the outcome of all this, whatever it is.

'I'll do what I always do, deal with it when it comes.'...and that's what a lot of us are doing ie trying to make the people who got us into this mess accountable and also trying to make others see sense. None of us are 'powerless'; we live [or used to live] in a democracy.