Shame on you Corbyn!

Wrong, the speaker said he didn’t hear it, he did not say it wasn’t said, he called Corbyn back to the house , this gave Corbyn the choice between truth and lie.

And corbyn said it was "stupid people" which given the behavior on the front bench at the time was appropriate.

Bercow said later he had looked at the footage and consulted professional lip-speakers. “It is easy to see why it could be construed as ‘stupid woman’,” he said, adding that that was also the advice of the professionals.

“Nobody can be 100% certain. That includes professional lip-readers. I will naturally take, and would be expected to take, the word of any member. It is reasonable to expect the house to do the same.”
Reasonable is seldom a word that can be applied on GN unfortunately.

If a person is speaking directly to you and you think their comments to be stupid why address a whole room of people in reply.

Bercow had to say that, especially given that he has said that phrase himself to Andrea Ledsome.
Ever the Corbyn fan I see trisher ( possibly the only one who is 100% defensive of him on GN.)He can do no wrong in your eyes......ever.Worrying, such blind faith.

Exactly Annie

Is blind devotion to the extent that the recipient of the devotion can do no wrong - reasonable ?

I am not a Corbyn "fan" as you put it lemon but I do happen to believe that you must look at the evidence and then make a judgement and the basis of that judgement should be, as it is in the British justice system, that if there is reasonable doubt the accused is Not Guilty. And so I cannot condemn Corbyn (I realise that many of you base your judgements on personal animosity and ignore any reasonable doubt)

We have spoken tirelessly about the state of politics regarding female politicians and to be honest the lack of understanding by some who do not believe there is even an issue because of whom is at the heart of this debacle is on one hand quite surprising but on the other of no surprise because of partisan politics.

It is accepted that female MP's have been subjected to abuse of a particularly mysogynistic nature , vile , harmful threats especially on social media.

There have been many a debate in Parliament , many female/male MP's backing the female MP's who have fought tirelessly to raise the seriousness of this abuse / mysoginy /sexism etc. and there has been a will by Parliament to try and curb this problem.

Whether it be in the form of the recent Dame Laura Cox Report into bullying and harassment within Parliament or the words / reports / debates we see and hear from our MP's themselves it is not going to change if the fact the Leader of a political party can call another a ' Stupid Woman ' in Parliament and he is backed by his cohorts and followers.

Parliament under Bercow has been a disgrace as he has been at the forefront of patronising behaviour and insults whilst holding the position of Speaker. You only have to watch Parliament to see the evidence of his behaviour and playing to the camera.

If it is possible to take the partisan politics and whataboutery out of the equation and focus on what we should expect from politicians, especially Leaders of the parties , then it is unquestionable calling a fellow Minister a ' Stupid Woman' has no place in Parliament and if Parliamentary etiquette is allowed to go unchallenged so brazenly then what chance have the MP's who are raising the sexist behaviour in Parliament ever going to see a change.?

Good post POGS

There can be no defence of Corbyn's sexist and misogynistic remark. (Bercow is a disgrace. I agree.)

Except he said "stupid people".
MPs are not the only women subjected to on-line abuse Mary Beard has a long history involving it.
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Agree POGS

*Except he said "stupid people".

No he didn't. He most obviously said "stupid woman". Why on earth do you think his words caused a furore otherwise?

Corbyn defenders buy his lie, don't they? Making excuses for him yet again.

He said ‘stupid woman’ ’

There is a split in the professional lip readers with quite a few seeing "stupid people". Even if you are qualified lip readers Day6 and Annie I think your political bias woud render you unsuitable to decide. You may think what you wish, it doesn't make it true.

And your devotion to Corbyn renders you unsuitable to decide ? You may think what you wish trisher it doesn’t make it true

We have no other evidence than the BBC cameras, and they seem to focus on Corbyn more than any other MP.
Apart from the PM herself.
Many times you see MPs gossiping in the background - what are they saying? But it's only Corbyn the BBC is concerned with.
I agree that Corbyn has weaknesses, but do think there's a concerted effort on the part of the BBC to bring him down.
There was a photo in Thursday's Guardian of MPs surrounding Bercow making a protest, smirking like school children, at the time of the protest against Corbyn.

No Fennel it was on SKY too and you say ‘apart from the PM herself, naturally there will be attention to the PM and leader of the official oposition

SKY probably got it from the BBC.

Fennel

'We have no other evidence than the BBC cameras, and they seem to focus on Corbyn more than any other MP.'
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Of course it was a BBC camera!

The BBC airs Parliament 'live' and during the PMQ's session it is the case the camera focuses on the politician either asking the question or the politician after his/her question has been answered by the PM usually. Hence it was on Corbyn.

BBC Parliament is aired ' live' on other t.v stations if there is a presumed public interest so why do you blame the BBC?

The camera may have been on Corbyn but actually all the action was on the government benches where there was a great deal of jeering and barracking and he said "stupid people", referring to this. Just watched it again and it is quite obvious.

Fennel

'There was a photo in Thursday's Guardian of MPs surrounding Bercow making a protest, smirking like school children, at the time of the protest against Corbyn.'
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The BBC camera was focussing on the Tory MP's too as it immediately followed PMQ's as a Point of Order was raised re Corbyn saying ' Stupid Woman' and Parliamentary etiquette. It would equally be as silly for someone to be saying the BBC cameras focus on Tory MP's to make a partisan point .

Do you watch, can you watch BBC TV coverage from Parliament and the Loirds where you live?

He was looking directly at Mrs May and said ‘stupid woman’
Some labour MP’s have said he should have apologised, perhaps you think they are in the pay of JRM

At first I was pretty sure he said “stupid woman”, but watching it later, I could see his lips forming the ‘p’s of ‘people. I’m fairly neutral on Jeremy Corbyn, and this is a genuine assessment of the footage.

trisher

There was enough bad behaviour on BOTH sides of the house so playing partisan politics is simply that!

You still don't grasp the bigger picture do you.

Why should ANYBODY treat female / male politicians with respect if the likes of Corbyn don't display respect.

I guess you will keep believing what you want to believe and I will keep believing what I want to believe.

It seems to me that so much fuss is being made about a muttered remark, the likes of which I feel quite sure most people - and certainly MPs - have muttered (or even spoken aloud) when they are confronted by boorish behaviour.

However, explicitly violent and, in my view, dangerously provocative words have quite recently been used by Conservative MPs against May, as were widely quoted in the press in October:

"The Sunday Times quoted one unnamed Tory MP as saying: “The moment is coming when the knife gets heated, stuck in her front and twisted. She’ll be dead soon.”

"Another said May was now entering “the killing zone”, and a third remarked: “Assassination is in the air.” In the Mail on Sunday, a source was quoted as saying that May should “bring her own noose” to a meeting of backbench Tories.

"A No 10 spokesman said that there would be “no investigation” by the whips into which MPs had briefed Sunday newspapers.

"One Tory MP and public critic of May, Mark Francois, said the language was “unacceptable” but added that that he would not tell the Conservative chief whip, how to do his job.

"He said the language was born of frustration ...." [Oh, that's OK then].

So, it seems the Conservative Party was not prepared to investigate what I believe many people would consider to be the unacceptable use of violent language directed towards their leader. But they are quite happy to express outrage at Corbyn for muttering "stupid woman/people" about their leader/or party.