Schools banning skirts.

aren't victim types

I don't think comfort comes into it. Fashion is far more important when you're in your mid teens.

Baggs really sorry to sound rude but what or who is a "victim type". My blood has never boiled on gransnett until I read your post!!!!!!!

I don't blame schools for wanting to ban skirts like that. I'm rather amazed they haven't done it long since.

Baggs: I don't think its much different to when I was at school t.b.h or even when I started work in the 70's. I worked in a Building Society which had a very young workforce and we all had such short skirts that we had to wear matching knickers because we knew they would possibly be on show! My dear old dad complained to me that it was 'embarrassing'

So I don't think much has really changed from the 60s/70s. Yes our school insisted we had knee length skirts but as soon as we were out they were rolled up the midrife until they were pelmet size (with a huge midrife bulge lol)

Oh Baggs - sorry I think you were quoting - ignore my comment to you...the rest still stands lol x

A victim type, as I used the expression, is someone who wears a skirt up which, at times, it is easy to gaze even without particularly wanting to (as described in my blood boiling post above) who then makes a fuss about it. If you wear a skirt that barely covers your bum for formal things like school you are not, in my opinion, respectably covered.

On a beach, on holiday, it'd be fine. People seem to have lost the notion of being appropriately dressed.

"Embarassing" is a good way of putting it.

Upskirting is not ‘gazing’ as you well know Baggs - victim blaming again I see.

My point Baggs is that this is nothing new! From the 60's onwards girls have been wearing short short skirts.

Perhaps it is the males who need educating Baggs. Women and girls surely have the right to wear whatever is in fashion. I was only a child in the 60's but can remember skirts were no more than belts.

Times have changed, not all girls with short skirts are victims they are just followers of fashion. The girls at our local high school all wear black tights with skirts, not revealing in my opinion. ( just for info I have sons no daughter)

I used to work in a school that had trousers or skirt option. A transgender boy chose the skirt option so skirts were removed from the options the next year

Oops sorry that was meant to say sons and daughter- I shall blame it on the football!

Wow! paperbackbutterfly...so are you saying nobody could wear a skirt in your school? I think this is where the problem lies. Choice should be choice i.m.o. One boy decides to wear a skirt and so all the girls are banned? Sounds like discrimination in reverse to me but then when does it ever work the other way?

Women and girls surely have the right to wear whatever is in fashion.
But not in school (imo)

Well there are a number of people who use the term 'Guys' to address both male and female .

Totally agree in principle Jalima1108, but whatever school rules are in place pupils of both sexes, along with transgender, binary and fluid gender identifying pupils will find a way to incorporate the latest 'trend' into their uniform.

The only time I found this did not happen was when two of our children were at fee paying schools. They were strict and it was just adhered to. Perhaps our state schools should take a look at how private schools manage uniform and discipline issues around uniform.

I was at a none uniform wearing junior school in the late 60s early 70s and during one of the winters of regular power cuts ,due to strikes ,the headmaster allowed the girls to wear trousers- when a power cut was due. As a student nurse in the early 80s our female tutors weren't allowed to wear trousers as the (male ) boss didn't like them. Today 90 plus percent of staff in the NHS wear trousers. I can well remember the contortions I had to perform to carry out my jobs and maintain my dignity/modesty now adays that is the least of my worries

My son is a Prefect at his school and they are expected to reinforce the uniform code. He has to be in School early once a week so that they inspect everyone on the way in to ensure they are dressed correctly. The Prefects ask the younger pupils to dress properly and those that fail to do so, get dealt with by the staff. On the whole the system works very well but every now and then we get a letter home reminding us of the rules. There is a Pupil's Uniform Council so the pupils get a say in what they would like to happen. Next year, the uniform is changing to allow girls to wear trousers and the boys can wear smart suits (strictly regulated) just like the girls have historically done, when they get to 6th form. These were changes suggested by the pupils.

Hear, hear! grannygravy. The independent school near us has kilted skirts as the girls' uniform. Knee length is adhered to.

I did have a conversation with Minibaggs's secondary school 'guidance' teacher when she was only eleven. He had told her off for wearing leggings under her skirt rather than tights. I think he was misinterpreting the rule about no leggings: it meant no leggings if that's all you were wearing on your lower half. If you wear a skirt over leggings it's essentially no different from wearing thick tights. but he was a stickler for rigid rules.

And the girls were still allowed to go around in bum-skimming tight skirts over not very thick tights.

All very stupid.

Whilst not normally a fan of banning things, to me, it makes sense for pupils to wear trousers ( for all.)
Certain things are banned at various schools anyway, such as certain hairstyles, jewellery, face studs etc and I think if a pupil tried to smuggle in a bar of chocolate, all the alarms would go off.?

We all wore very short skirts (with ankle socks and navy knickers - such a good look!) when I was at school, but it was an all girls school so the question of boys or masters seeing our knickers didn't arise.

I think trousers are much more practical for a lot of the things you do at school.

Once again the majority are being lead by the minority. A friend's 7 year-old son came home from school saying 'I'm gay and I'm proud'. His mother gently asked him what he meant and he replied that his teacher had told the boys that if they are gay they should be proud. He had no idea what 'gay' meant.

We should be concentrating on stopping such behaviour as upskirting not telling females that they are no longer allowed to wear a female item of clothing. Why should girls be penalised by restricting their right to wear a skirt? If we're worried re LBGTQ rights then again I say why penalise girls wanting to wear a skirt for the very few LGBTQ who actually might well also want to wear skirts. What next the burka???