Gender critical trans woman

The NHS is going to start freezing the eggs and sperm of teens who are going to be treated as " it is wrong to deny them the chance to be parents ".
The NHS should be treating the sick and those in pain, not pandering to teens who really need serious counselling.
How many will want children afterwards anyway.
I assume they would not be capable of a pregnancy so more cost for surrogacy.

They'll all want children annsixty.

Thanks Blinko. Annsixty I agree. Where do these expectations stop. Presumably someone in the NHS fears they'll be sued if they don't take this action. Is there an emoji for 'frowns worriedly'? I haven't written to my MP yet but today I will.

I am the wife of a crossdresser (age 62) and we do go out very occasionally, not often as he is man most of the time and I do prefer him as a man. It’s always a dilemma which toilets he should use. We welcome a more open society

Maryeliza said " I DEFINITELY would walk out of an institution (or gym, or Toilets) if there were intact males welcomed. Sorry, but there are just too many perverts in the world who may be prepared to go to those lengths. If they want to be a woman then have the operation and be done with it."

There is a long process involved in changing gender, even after acceptance. First off is hormone treatment. I don't know how you define an 'intact male' but a suppression of testosterone and an increase of oestrogen would limit it in my view. 'Having the operation' is the last thing to be done.

sheilaunderstands you are a very understanding wife. Your husband is very lucky.
IMO He should use the gents or the disabled because he is a man. We would be able to spot that at 100 yards.

yggdrasil the point is there is no longer going to be a long process involved in changing gender. The gender recognition bill planned for the autumn will propose that anyone can change their gender though a ‘simple administrative process’ no longer requiring a medical diagnosis or a period of transitioning. So anyone can apply to change their gender and change back and forth at will. People like Daniel Muscato will be free to identify as female just because they say they are (and tell you ‘suck my dick’ if you disagree) and if you fail to recognise that you could be accused of hate crime.

This is worlds away from people who go down the traditional sex change route for whom I’m sure we would all have the greatest respect. I think we’re in danger of being left behind in this debate which I for one find very worrying.

It must be horrendous to feel you are in the wrong body to such an extent that you go through the complete transition process.

On top of all that you are likely to deal with prejudice which seems to be even worse in this country compared to more enlightened countries like New Zealand.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-transgender-woman-asylum-new-zealand-granted-safer-a7996846.html

yggdrasil have you seen Daniel Muscato?
Would you be happy to meet him in a ladies toilet or changing room?

If you want more info about him, just Google his name.

I did, and I see an exhibitionist making points for political purposes. Compared to the number of transgender people I know, that is insignificant.
It wouldn't bother me if a transgender person came in a ladies toilet, I might ask if they had made a mistake, but then I would go into a cubicle as I expect she would. It is considerably more difficult in a men's toilet where there are limited cubicles and the men perform in public.
On the continent, unisex toilets with all cubicles are not uncommon.

It is insignificant now.
If the law is passed, it will be legal for men who are not genuinely transgender and who look as much like a man as Muscato does, to use women's facilities.

ygg the quote you attributed to me wasn’t posted by me - for one thing I never use the word ‘pervert’

But since you ask, I would define an intact male as one who could get an erection

sorry it was Nanasam, but she had put your name at the front so I got confused.

"But since you ask, I would define an intact male as one who could get an erection."
Which would pretty well rule out anyone on hormone treatment. Also one going to use the toilet for a pee, they can't do both at once :-)

I wish I thought that the use of toilets was the real issue here. That deflects from the whole serious issue.

Btw, my MP has written back in response to my letter of concern about the potential threat to women's safe places from some intact men. Very non committal, to paraphrase, he 'supports the right of people to live the life they choose' and 'feels sure the consultation period will allow concerns about safety to be addressed'. Wishy washy, I call it

There seems to be far too much pandering to tiny minorities at the expense of The Common Good.

paddyann there is a new study in the transitioning of young people that has been done in at the brown university It called ROGD Rapid onset gender dysphoria.

The university pulled it link to the research due to the pressure from trans activists but there's now alot of other Drs speaking out saying that ROGD needs to be studied more

www.parentsofrogdkids.com/

I haven't read the entire thread yet as it runs into 6 pages, therefore this may have already been brought up, Andrew Gilligan did an article in the Sunday Times producing evidence to show that far more females have been assaulted in gender neutral changing areas at swimming pools and sports centres than those where men and women are segregated. That's NOT to say that the assaults were carried out by trans women, but simply to point out that there is more of an opportunity for an assault in such an environment. In creating such areas girls and women will be denied safe areas to dress and undress, which could render them vulnerable. The issue of females transitioning into men is hardly likely to endanger men, I'd never say never, but it is far more likely to be the other way round.

I'm going back to read all the posts now.

I went to an all girls school from age 11, but I do wonder how menstruating girls will feel if they don't have the privacy to change their sanitary wear in all female toilets. Do some senior schools have gender neutral toilets now I don't know ?

Luckygirl, one of my dds was the same. Never interested in 'girls' toys, hated having to wear dresses, liked all physical activities and rough and tumble, physically fearless.

Now happily married with 2 little ones, still can rarely be bothered with makeup etc. but always in dresses - though largely because of her hourglass figure. Funnily enough, her own little dd is decidedly 'girly'.

I dread to think what sort of insidious propaganda she'd be exposed to nowadays, instead of just being a 'tomboy'.

just seen this fabulous thread on twitter
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1037722669133844480.html

TerriBull, I'm not sure why girls should worry about menstruating in "shared" toilets. It's not as if they even have to dispose of the soiled pads in a shared space if there is a bin in each toilet. As far as I am aware, all girls toilets have always had separate cubicles with closing doors. The only problem I can foresee is that if they need to wash the sink would be more public but most people I know would be reluctant to wash anywhere personal in a public space anyway.
We recently visited a school where the boys toilets were all in cubicles (no urinals at all) and each cubicle had a sink which made things very private.
Maybe if we are rethinking gender fluidity we should rethink the way cubicles in changing rooms, toilets etc are currently designed to take into account people's sensibilities. I also think it should be perfectly legal to ask that "sensitive" examinations are done by a female identifying as a female. Personally it wouldn't bother me either way provided they were qualified but I do think if you have the right to choose how you identify you should be allowed to choose who you identify your bits too!

These female prison inmates were well and truly thrown under the bus of transgenderism.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/06/transgender-person-accused-rape-remanded-female-prison-sexually/