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Maggiemaybe Tue 04-Apr-17 16:47:26

www.theguardian.com/money/2017/apr/02/the-lost-generation-credit-crunch-thirtysomething-brokebroke

I have just finished reading the above article, which appeared in Sunday's Observer.

I have every sympathy with young people who despite their best efforts can't get on the housing ladder, can't find secure jobs, can't see themselves ever having a decent pension - and yes, I believe there are lots of them, though I prefer to blame government policies rather than a previous generation. I have no sympathy whatever with the author of this piece, Andrew Hankinson, who seems to think he has been dealt a very rough hand despite spending his life so far doing exactly what he wanted (writing one book, a bit of lowly paid work for magazines, studying for a Masters, then a PhD) despite not being able to help his wife support him and his family without tapping up his mother for their house deposit, to clear off his credit card bills, "to see him through a tricky period of PhD applications". As he moans on, bewailing his lot in life, we get this:

This isn’t going to be a praise piece is it?” asks my mum. No Mum, it’s more of an audit. After she gives me the £2,000 I feel guilty, but less so when I interrogate her finances. It turns out she has thousands of pounds of savings (including redundancy money from being laid off by Northern Rock); she works part-time at a Marks & Spencer; she gets a state pension (she’s 66 years old); she gets a final salary pension; she gets a winter fuel payment (£200); and she gets a free bus pass, which she doesn’t use as she’s got a BMW.

Well, how jolly dare she? 66 years old, she has savings, a pension, and her house is paid off - how can this have happened? Might it possibly, Andrew, have something to do with the fact that she has worked for it (and is still doing so?). Perhaps she too might have enjoyed the luxury of spending years doing exactly what she wanted, instead of going into what was possibly a very boring career in a bank, but I doubt her parents would have subbed her to do so then smiled indulgently as she "interrogated their finances".

Then we have a lot of old tut about us old folk being responsible for Brexit (no mention of those who voted to remain, or the young folk who apparently would all have voted to do so, but just somehow couldn't find the polling station), and this:

Funnily enough, I didn’t mention that to my mum when I asked her for the £2,000. Not just because it would have queered my pitch, but also because I think threatening pensioners won’t work. Nice son you've got there, Mrs. H.

I've put this in chat, not politics, because I don't want to start another thread about intergenerational unfairness, blaming one generation or another. I just wondered what others thought of this particular journalist. For what it's worth, I think this article has done a disservice to young people who are genuinely struggling, and is a very poor representation of the difficulties they face.

Penstemmon Wed 05-Apr-17 18:02:29

Like many others both my DDs and their partners work f/t and evenings/weekends. Childcare costs are hard, which is why I help out 2x week but that is it! Mr H needs to start living in the 'real world' and cut his cloth etc etc!

janeainsworth Wed 05-Apr-17 17:57:18

What amuses me about the article was Hankinson's statement that his week consisted of freelancing 3 days and doing childcare for 2. Presumably he spent the remaining 2 days of the week resting. Poor lamb!
He also states that his house in Newcastle cost £150K and manages to imply that this was a very humble abode.
Not so. £150K can buy you a very nice property up here.
Then he went and bought another one in a 'better' area!

Penstemmon Wed 05-Apr-17 17:50:10

sarahellenwhitney Thatcher & her government certainly actively encouraged the sale of council houses to tenants. It was their way of winning "the working class" vote. My DH and parents lived in council property when homes first went on sale and were offered the chance to buy. By then they were both retired and FiL only worked p/t (in his early 70s) bookkeeping for a local plant nursery so they could not afford it. They had no savings to speak of..just their 'funeral pot' as they called it! If DH and his siblings had clubbed together they might have been ale to fund the purchase and we would have made a comfortable profit as they now sell at £500k plus for a 2 bed 10th floor flat.

Newquay Wed 05-Apr-17 17:36:10

I would be ashamed if that were my son. Acting like a teenager-except he has THREE children, doesn't hold down a job and sponges off his mother. He should go and get a job and pay his way in the world.
I do totally agree with other posters about council houses having been sold off. It was absolutely crazy and drives people into the hands of private landlords. I have a dear SIL who, through no fault of her own, is in rented accommodation and so is, effectively, paying someone's mortgage for them. AND she is in this pension trap and will not be able to draw her state pension for years yet. So unfair.
Our own DDs don't ask about our finances but we have offered help down the years-always repaid-and choose to do so. Not for us expensive hols, meals out, drinks etc. We've always been frugal and are now living in the benefit of it. (just pops out to adjust halo!)

Daisyboots Wed 05-Apr-17 17:26:51

I thought I had brought up all my children to have a hard working ethic but it seems I failed with one of my daughters. She has always spent money like water and then expects me (or her father when he was alive) to bail her out. It's always someone elses fault. No she is not in her 20s or 30s but in her early 50s. Two years ago I lent her and her present DH a very sizeable sum to buy a house as she had no creditworthiness and neither did he although for different reasaons. They paid me a small amount weekly to make up for the loss of savings income and I made sure my name was on the deeds of the house. Last year they were able to obtain a mortgage and pay me back. When they found out that they had to pay legal fees to taky my name off they thought I should pay this and when I said no the weekly amount stopped. I made it plain that I could also be awkward and refuse to sign the transfer so I got the weekly amount for a few more weeks. Since then I hardly hear from her unless she is complaining about how hard up she is. Last month she asked to borrow £100 which I was loath to lend but she assured me she could pay it back when she was paid towards the end of the month. Of course it did not happen. I feel her attitude is she knows roughly I have money so why should she pay back any money I lend her. The bank of Mum has definitely closed here now. Of course I havent heard from her since. I worked very hard to be able to live a reasonable life as a pensioner as I knew I would only have the state pension so why should she think she has the right to have my money.

maddyone Wed 05-Apr-17 17:24:25

gillyjp entirely agree with you. The writer of this article sounds dreadful, and certainly doesn't appear to take his responsibilities very seriously.
We have also given sums of money and also lent sums of money to our children. Most parents help their adult children where they can, it is a natural thing to want to help, with time and/or money if possible. Not everyone can, they may still be working, they may not be able to afford the time or the money. However, it is never a right, it is a privilege to receive help.
This young man (although he is not so young) is rude and ungrateful. I hope his mother didn't read his article and that she's not on gransnet.

MadMaisie Wed 05-Apr-17 17:15:41

So glad he's not mine - what an ungrateful, needy person he sounds.

retrolady2 Wed 05-Apr-17 17:08:49

Norah, I agree with you. Just because someone writes an article doesn't necessarily mean that's how they feel. Don't newspapers commission articles just to get people talking?

gillybob Wed 05-Apr-17 17:07:40

Oooopsy. I forgot to close ) after relevant.

gillybob Wed 05-Apr-17 17:06:15

No sure what you are "begging to differ" about grandMattie confused

I am not getting into how much you or your "offspring" (horrible word btw) earn or have coming in, or how you sat on orange boxes etc. such a silly (and non relevant argument. Although I did smile at the "having old bangers".

I will never be in a position to help my DC financially although as I said I do help out a lot in other ways.

GillT57 Wed 05-Apr-17 16:58:24

The governments who sold off the council housing stock and now pay housing benefit to buy to let landlords for those same properties are to be blamed for this debacle. Not the allegedly affluent pensioners, not the allegedly snowflake younger generation, it was Margaret Thatcher's policy of ridding the country of council house stock that is at fault.

Norah Wed 05-Apr-17 16:35:34

Our daughters have little worries to our holiday home and cruises Galen. Just part of caring.

rosesarered Wed 05-Apr-17 16:26:48

I think although the writer was meaning this as an amusing read, the trouble is that it isn't amusing at all, and paints him in a very bad light.Not a great advert for either a writer of amusing pieces, a Father, Husband, or Son.

rosesarered Wed 05-Apr-17 16:23:29

So, the pole dancing is still paying good money Galen ? wink

grandMattie Wed 05-Apr-17 16:13:55

gillybob I beg to differ. When we finally managed to get a mortgage after saving for several years and getting picked in the draw(!), the interest rate was about 13.5%; hardly unearned this house of ours.
We never were given anything by DPs until our 50s when, we didn't really need it. We had old bangers, we used orange boxes and suchlike until we were able to afford furniture. Yes, and yes again, our "plenty" was earned.
And our present income, on _earned pension, is less than 1/4 of the income of any of our offspring who certainly don't earn telephone number salaries...

Galen Wed 05-Apr-17 16:10:42

Darling daughter did make mild noises about the amount I spend on cruises. It was genuine concern that I was spending all my savings and would be broke in my old(er) age. When I showed her what I'd got saved plus the value of the house and my pensions, she was very reassured and hasn't bought it up since.
In fact I have difficulty in persuading her to accept anything from me!
I don't want the IR to benefit from my death as it did from my mother!
Incidentally I pay for my cruises out of the money I earn working!

gillyjp Wed 05-Apr-17 15:47:16

I too was incensed by this article. I really could not believe what I was reading. This man helps to bring (3!) children into this world knowing that he is strapped for cash and does not have the earning power to provide for them. His mother then kindly gives him money - I doubt it was a loan - to help him out and then as a thank you he 'interrogates her finances'. It doesn't matter what his mother's financial position is it is none of his business. What an obnoxious little g*t he comes across as.

We have helped our adult DC from time to time. Mostly monetary gifts for the DGC to go on school trips, have swimming lessons etc and we love doing this. We would much rather do this and share what we are able to now. We have given spending money for holidays,carpets etc. Due to circumstances beyond our control we rent, but our DC both have mortgages. There will be no big inheritance from us and the inheritances we received we are sharing and enjoying now. We will need to pay rent for the rest of our lives so need to be financially astute. It is hardly worth saving because of the poor returns but we have to keep some aside to ensure that we have a reasonable standard of living in our retirement.

Norah Wed 05-Apr-17 15:20:09

I think the article was just a little £ joke. To stir a bit.

annodomini Wed 05-Apr-17 15:05:45

Neither of my DSs has 'interrogated' my finances and I wouldn't dream of 'interrogating' theirs. I have provided interest-free loans a couple of times and they have been repaid by regular repayments into my bank account. I think that in-laws might have contributed but never asked - it's none of my business. Both families are well and truly on the property ladder and always welcome me for a visit.

Poly580 Wed 05-Apr-17 14:42:26

If parents want to help their DC out of the goodness of their hearts that's entirely up to them. However, a child should never expect. It's none of his business how much money his mother has. He needs to grow up and take responsibility for himself and his family. Education is expensive so who is paying for all that or is he just creating more debt he expects his family to mop up.
Needs a kick up the pants!!

maddyone Wed 05-Apr-17 13:13:58

What a rude and ungrateful person, I'm glad he isn't my son, I would be ashamed of him. Judging by the comments on here, everyone on here appears to agree with me.

Sugarpufffairy Wed 05-Apr-17 12:54:13

As a previous poster said if money is lent to the DCs and then not repaid it should be the last money they get. I am in that position. I lent money at zero interest just short of £5k and for nearly 2 years this was being repaid perfectly. In the last year there have been 3 fails and I am bad because I said I was disappointed that the monthly payment could not be met. I had been proud of my DC for managing to repay so well. There is a new partner involved and at the same time as telling me the month's payment could not be met I was asked to baby sit so that they could go to the cinema!
Since then I have not been spoken to. I have been cut off as has a lady I know. This lady's daughter has now cut of my DC. It is all just awful.
The younger ones seem to have such a sense of entitlement, my DC tells people I have £x. So she thinks, she is so wrong. One thing I have made clear is that I do not approve of my DCs working all hours to keep their (male) partners and I am certainly not going to financially enable these sponging males, nor the DDs who think I should.
SPF

sarahellenwhitney Wed 05-Apr-17 12:53:41

Yorkshiregel.Thatcher did not 'insist' people buy not rent.
Chance a fine thing in those days to get a council house or pay sky high private rent, so many, like myself and DH had no option it was buy or live with our two babes with our parents in a two up two down.Mortgage interest rates then as were savers interest rates sky high.Unlike today that favours those with a mortgage at the expense of the savers.
Myself and DH in 1970 bought our first house.I relied on parents to look after our children so I could work and help pay our mortgage.For those who moan today not getting on the housing ladder the 70's was no piece of cake either.You want it bad enough ? you get out and work for it.

gillybob Wed 05-Apr-17 12:50:18

What hey forget is that we scrimped and saved in our working lives to be able to afford a less penurious retirement... Our "plenty" was earned

You must see that a lot of young people will never get this opportunity though grandMattie .

Personally I have never been given anything by anyone. Nor will I ever be in the position to give anything, but my time and I am very generous with that

grandMattie Wed 05-Apr-17 12:41:28

Luckygirl, my opinion entirely.
My offspring would never ask for anything, but we have helped out with this and that, including one house deposit, and several cars. Given, not loaned as we could afford it.
What hey forget is that we scrimped and saved in our working lives to be able to afford a less penurious retirement... Our "plenty" was earned.
Ye, it is a shame that house prices are so high, but us pensioners are NOT the greedy ones wanting the maximum when selling our houses, so we can make a bigger profit!
As for Brexit, well... as someone said, we actually voted. WE have a civic responsibility, and use it!!!