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Are we seeing the demise of Christmas?

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Yorkshiregel Tue 20-Dec-16 12:11:16

These days schools seem to be ignoring religion, or at least Christianity. It seems as though they are trying to wipe it out sometimes. We are not allowed to put Nativity scenes in shop windows for example, and the Government have stopped religious assemblies in schools. Our town no longer proudly shows off its beautiful Christmas tree outside the church. There was talk in our town of changing the name Christmas to Winterfest! Didn't happen in the end. All because of the other religions that we have in this country, so that they are not offended. Yet there is no talk about banning other religious ceremonies. Shops are being allowed to open on Christmas Eve and Boxing Day. Some people even have to work on Christmas Day.

I wondered what other people think of this. I think Christmas is a time to celebrate the birth of Christ. I believe it is a good time for families to get together and a time to heal old wounds. I think people should not work on any of the 3 days over Christmas. I believe there is enough greed in the world without allowing shops to open over Christmas and I believe that people need a rest from all their worries and more time with their families.

Jalima Fri 23-Dec-16 21:07:00

just googled it, it sounds lovely

Anniebach Fri 23-Dec-16 21:21:32

It is Jalima ,I benefit from it ,it's gentle, calming and relaxing

durhamjen Fri 23-Dec-16 23:54:56

'If you are not a Christian what exactly are you celebrating at Christmas then? Same for Easter - I don't understand why you would celebrate something you don't believe in. Find your own celebrations.'

Hooty McOwlface said this, and then disappeared. Hence saying that they were our celebrations first, Annie, which they were. As everyone knows, nowhere near the birth of Christ.
Why do Christians celebrate the birth of Christ on 25th December? Seems daft to me.

Yorkshiregel Sat 24-Dec-16 09:24:54

Paddy you can even get cards now with 'Happy Holiday' written on them, I saw some yesterday in town.

I don't understand why people who are not Christians get the Christmas/Easter holidays off. We do not get Ramadan off do we? Or the Jewish holiday hannukka for example. There are others:

Sukkot October 17-23, 2016

Shemini Atzeret October 24, 2016; October 12, 2017

Simkhat Torah October 25, 2016; October 13, 2017

Chanukah Dec. 25, 2016 - Jan.1, 2017; December 13-20, 2017

Wouldn't it be great if everyone could celebrate everyone else' holidays!

Will never happen of course.

Yorkshiregel Sat 24-Dec-16 09:32:01

Just found this on Google:

Rebranding Christmas: More public bodies are refusing to give festival ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › Home News

13 Dec 2014 - Have yourself a merry little Winterfest. ... A survey of festive cards sent out by local authorities across Britain found only one ... Nearly half of the cards ignored Christmas, preferring phrases such as Season's Greetings or Happy Holidays. ... Some people end up in court, but others find surprising answers.

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Yorkshiregel Sat 24-Dec-16 09:37:16

Looks like you can get them at Amazon too:

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/ref=sr_gnr_fkmr0?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Awinterfest&keywords=winterfest&ie=UTF8&qid=1482572135

durhamjen Sat 24-Dec-16 09:52:08

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/12/24/we-need-to-believe/

M0nica Sat 24-Dec-16 10:17:18

A festival close to the winter solstice has been celebrated, quite literally, from time immemorial. At a time when humanity was entirely dependent on the seasonal cycle for every item of life and with no understanding of the science, the disappearance of the sun and its life-giving properties and then its return was not a certainty and a celebration that was both a welcoming and a celebration of return makes absolute sense. The mid winter celebration was symbolic then remains so.

Why do christians celebrate the birth of Christ on 25th December? For the same reason that our pre-historic ancestors celebrated the return of the sun. It commemorates that when the world was in the darkness of ignorance of God and his goodness, a child was born in the humblest of circumstances to bring light and the promise of a new spring to the world. Not everyone shares that religious belief but its symbolic rationale is obvious.

You do not need to be a Christian to celebrate Christmas. I spent part of my childhood in south east Asia and in all the countries we lived in we joyously celebrated everybody's festivals. Chinese New Year, Diwali, Christmas, all the Muslim festivals, that had different names in different countries, were all celebrated by Christian, Hindu, Muslim and every other religion. I loved it.

Anniebach Sat 24-Dec-16 11:19:39

Good post Monica

BlueBelle Sat 24-Dec-16 15:05:01

Wow you're really labourers a point Yorkshiregal I m sure you can get anything if you look hard enough but we were all talking about mainstream cards /wishes etc judging by all the posts on here you are in a minority of maybe two maybe one You are looking very hard to make a point that doesn't need making, enjoy you're life in whatever way you want but don't be provocative about our native customs I never actually met anyone from any other walk of life who is trying to change our ways, everyone I ve met has been happy to fit in and enjoy their own and our customs
Live and love, Happy Christmas

Yorkshiregel Sat 24-Dec-16 16:46:58

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9136191/Christians-have-no-right-to-wear-cross-at-work-says-Government.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416814/Church-attacks-Red-Cross-for-banning-Christmas-in-its-shops.html

Just making a point. I don't make things up.

Ana Sat 24-Dec-16 16:52:39

Well, you're certainly clutching at straws!

The first article's dated 10th March 2012 and the second one's from 2002...hmm

Couldn't you find any more recent evidence?

Jalima Sat 24-Dec-16 22:20:18

I was going to say, isn't that old news about the Red Cross? They were selling cards with 'Season's Greetings' on them at one time but I have had a couple of Red Cross ones this year which have the message 'Merry Christmas' inside.