maggiemaybe, when both daughters of my oldest friend married they not only had a full set of grandparents at the weddings, but when their own children were born later the set of grandparents became great grandparents, all still sprightly - and they were able to live to see their great grandchildren grow into teenagers, the last great died recently at 99, still fit (for her age) oh for good genes and becoming a grandparent earlier than i did!.
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Both husbands however were already orphans. 

