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Imperfect27 Thu 04-Feb-16 08:10:39

This may seem to many like a repeat of the 'internet manners' discussion that was aired recently, but I wanted to revisit the heart of this matter because of recent developments.

I recently raised a question about texting birth announcements on the AIBU forum recently and unwittingly provoked all sorts of reactions, incurring rudeness and insensitivity along the way. I am not posting here to carp about that, but to highlight it as illustrative of a wider problem.

I am relatively new to GN, but as a result of that thread I received several emails from people who are evidently upset about the way some GNetters post. I suspect there are even more who felt the same. Some are newly arrived, but say they have been put off posting full-stop. Some say they are leaving GN because they are genuinely dismayed at the levels of unkindness expressed and what seem to be pointedly negative / aggressive /insensitive comments. Sometimes when people have raised concern on the forums they feel they have been then publicly shot down in flames and it is usually suggested that they are too sensitive. Some people feel that others assume they are right no matter what and that they have an apparent right because they are longer term members.

I am not writing here to 'preach', or 'carp', or 'point the finger' - rather to think of solutions. none of us are saints and we are going to make errors and misread posts at times. Sometimes something is said 'tongue in cheek', but is taken as offensive. These sort of misunderstandings can be checked out and in my experience a PM often does the trick. However, like many who have emailed me, I honestly think some posts are an awful advert for this site and I really understand why others are put off.

Sometimes the problem may be that when a thread becomes very long it is tempting to skip and just add our own view. Sometimes what we discuss is indeed sensitive and emotive and we can find ourselves reacting strongly. I think it is a good idea to at least skim read other posts and to take time to consider views that may differ from our own and also to keep in mind that this is indeed a public forum.

Perhaps the litmus tests are
* would you actually say the same to someone's face?
* would you feel embarrassed if others actually knew who you were?
*would you mind your views being requoted in public?

Well, I have put my head above the parapet. I have done so because I genuinely like GN, but like others who have emailed me, I have been really dismayed at the way some posts develop and feel that at times we don't actually do ourselves any credit. I also think it is truly sad that a significant amount of people are evidently put off taking a full part in discussions.

Jalima Fri 05-Feb-16 10:36:57

So I'm a "newdie"
shock just as well this is not video-linked NanandG

NanaandGrampy Fri 05-Feb-16 10:46:17

Jalima I know grin

Adjusts Pjs !

That's how I know I'm retired - 10:45 and still in my pjs . Oh well another coffee won't hurt smile

Nonnie Fri 05-Feb-16 10:47:47

Several pages since I left for the news yesterday!

I don't think the OP sounds teacherish at all but do think that some of the people who have accused her of being such and of being patronising have come across as such. Of course nothing wrong with being one but to use it as an accusation seems harsh to me. I think she has put the same old feelings which come up every now and again rather well, better than I did years ago when admittedly things were much worse.

They way we choose to interpret the intentions of a poster is up to us but I think it reflects our own personality and perhaps we should think what that says about us as individuals.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 05-Feb-16 10:52:09

No gin knocking about anywhere in our family j. We were lucky if we got a cup of Camp coffee. grin

wot Fri 05-Feb-16 10:52:53

Imperfect meant well and I thought she put it very well. Not nice to discourage people who are trying to make things more pleasant for others.

Jalima Fri 05-Feb-16 10:53:26

Ah yes, Camp coffee!
There was a bottle of sherry from last Christmas (or the one before) and a bottle of brandy for medicinal purposes in the sideboard in our house.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 05-Feb-16 10:55:13

Glad it's not only me nandg. shock Don't know what's got into me these last few days. hmm

And I've just spilt half a packet of porridge oats on the floor.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 05-Feb-16 10:55:50

Wot! You up yet?

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 05-Feb-16 10:56:35

Oh sorry! Didn't see you there wot.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 05-Feb-16 10:57:28

This thread is getting like *soop's kitchen.

#heavensaveus

wot Fri 05-Feb-16 10:57:33

Yes! Sophie dog woke me at 7 to go outside so thought I would stay up. I'm going to start spring cleaning 'cos I'm bored.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 05-Feb-16 10:57:44

*

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 05-Feb-16 10:59:19

Wow! Spring cleaning. I'm going to Tesco on my bike. Just for a little bit of excitement.

Elegran Fri 05-Feb-16 11:00:04

If you are still bored when you've finished, wot just pop up here and do mine.

wot Fri 05-Feb-16 11:07:02

See you in 2 weeks, then, Elegran. !!

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 05-Feb-16 11:13:32

Can't believe how many new posts have been made on here this morning! shock

I agree with wot and don't see anything wrong with imperfect's OP. Her post isn't aggressive, but well intentioned. I agree with what she said, but can also understand why some people take umbrage at her comments. As she said, she's put her head above the parapet and got a varied response, but stuck to her guns and defended her comments well.

I've no doubt there will be a similar post in a few months time and we'll all dance around this subject again. That's life on a forum. smile

PS I'm still in my PJs too blush

thatbags Fri 05-Feb-16 11:46:40

Posts that begin with "I can't believe...!" remind me of my mum. "Can you credit it?" "You won't believe...!"

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WilmaKnickersfit Fri 05-Feb-16 11:50:10

We all have our crosses to bear grin

thatbags Fri 05-Feb-16 11:52:05

smile

NanaandGrampy Fri 05-Feb-16 12:04:31

Jingl I'm beginning to see pjs as "home office wear" .

janeainsworth Fri 05-Feb-16 12:57:14

Nonnie Of course nothing wrong with being one[a teacher] but to use it as an accusation seems harsh to me.

I didn't 'use it as an accusation'.
I didn't accuse her of anything.

I just suggested it might be better if she didn't address forum members as if they were her students. There's a difference.

You have sometimes complained about other posters twisting your words - pot and kettle spring to mind.

Elegran Fri 05-Feb-16 13:23:18

Yes. Many former teachers have had to readjust their style when posting to equals on Gransnet. Sometimes they forget and revert.

Jalima Fri 05-Feb-16 15:22:56

I agree Elegran smile

Nonnie Fri 05-Feb-16 16:09:11

jane if you think I have 'twisted your words' I am sorry. Yes, there is a difference but it is very subtle. Interesting that you instantly knew I was talking about what your wrote though rather than any other poster in 12 pages!

mumofmadboys Fri 05-Feb-16 16:44:41

For the record I think the OP by Imperfect was fine. I felt her motives were well intentioned and it did not come over to me as a lecture. I agree that some posts do come over as rude which is unnecessary if someone is wanting some help or support. It is a shame if some people leave the forum because of it. I hope Imperfect stays but I wouldn't be surprised if she felt like running!