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Jane10 Wed 06-Jan-16 08:48:49

When catching up with a young(er) friend yesterday I was horrified to hear of her New Year experiences in Germany. She spends every Christmas and NewYear with family in Hamburg. This year she and her friend suffered a horrifying ordeal at the hands of a drunken marauding group of men of Arab or North African appearance. They were grabbing and groping women of all ages. These were not good natured kissing/hugging sort of new year stuff but serious sexual assaults. She was rescued by a restaurateur and his staff who saw what was happening. They sheltered them until it was safe enough to try to get home. This man literally stood in the door and had to prevent these men coming after her. These men did not speak German or any European language that my well educated friend knew. They just weren't around like this in previous years. She's drawing her own conclusion as to where all these dangerous men came from.
I'm glad David Cameron is focusing on admitting families rather than hordes of young men. I'm sure that forum members will pick holes in this and I'll be accused of having all sorts of politically incorrect thoughts but just thought I'd pass on this news from a nasty front line.

Jalima Mon 25-Jan-16 23:07:29

What do the costs of £5 cover? Is that just food and shelter or does that include any healthcare, any schooling or other outlay such as their claim for asylum?
Is that per taxpayer presumably?

durhamjen Mon 25-Jan-16 22:45:01

blogs.redcross.org.uk/refugeesservices/2015/04/asylum-in-the-uk-adding-up-the-true-costs/

This was last April.
I was staggered to find that asylum costs the British person less than £5 a year. That's less than twopence a day.
Think about it.

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 25-Jan-16 21:07:10

I did search extensively before posting. I'm pretty sure the cuts have not been implemented, but that doesn't help us understand how it works when some or all meals are provided.

Ana Mon 25-Jan-16 21:06:16

Exactly.

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 25-Jan-16 21:04:35

Elegran the links confirm the £36.95, but I don't know how it works when meals are provided and whether vouchers are still in use, or if the payment card replaced them.

Ana Mon 25-Jan-16 21:04:15

I did google Asylum seekers benefits UK originally, but couldn't make out whether those who receive housing and food get any money or not. Still can't!

Elegran Mon 25-Jan-16 20:55:42

All this information is online, you just need to search for it. I put in Asylum seekers current entitlements.

Elegran Mon 25-Jan-16 20:54:23

That should be researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01909/SN01909.pdf

Elegran Mon 25-Jan-16 20:50:46

Also - www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/roap-benefits.pdf

and - researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01909/SN01909.pdf

Elegran Mon 25-Jan-16 20:46:38

www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 25-Jan-16 20:36:04

I wish there was someone on here who knows the current entitlements.

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 25-Jan-16 20:34:15

No, I think they get a small allowance, but I'm not sure how much.

I think the full board thing is partly because of the shortage of suitable properties. Asylum seekers don't get housed in council housing, unless it's a hard to let property nobody else wants.

My knowledge isn't up to date, so I can't remember all the details.

Ana Mon 25-Jan-16 20:22:22

Wouldn't those same charities provide them for all refugees?

petra Mon 25-Jan-16 20:20:12

Ana. I would imagine there are charities providing these.

Ana Mon 25-Jan-16 20:10:31

So if they have meals provided, what do they do about clothing and toiletries?

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 25-Jan-16 20:05:50

I'd to just clarify that if asylum seekers are getting their meals provided, they don't get the £36.95 too.

£36.95 is the amount a single person gets for food, clothing and toiletries and it's given as vouchers, not cash. Asylum seekers get a maximum of 70% of what someone on Income Support would receive.

If someone could give more information I think it would take some of the heat out of the discussion.

petra Mon 25-Jan-16 19:50:49

I'm sure there are some who wish that the media hadn't got hold of this story. Because now, the Border agency are looking al some of these asylum seekers.

Jalima Mon 25-Jan-16 19:34:14

A wristband seems fine to me; lots of people wear them, I was wearing one not long ago which probably looked red. It had red poppies on it.

Yes, we are absolutely horrible Stansgran, and should be ashamed of ourselves for giving people refuge, a roof over their heads and food while they wait to see if their claim is genuine or not. hmm

thatbags Mon 25-Jan-16 19:28:55

Given that a LOT of people wear wristbands nowadays, for all sorts of reasons, many of them social conscious reasons, I don't think the wristband idea is a bad one for speedily recognising who qualifies for a meal. Looking at papers is simply impractical. For a start you'd need more people than you need to qickly check whether someone has a wristband.

Wristbands are not nasty badges. My daughter wears wristbands. So do her friends. I very much doubt if it's the wristbands that "set off" the horrid people who apparently abuse refugees.

I think this is a lot of fuss over a little, sensible, practical thing which, like refugee status, is a temporary, coping mechanism.

Anyone who thinks it was a terrible idea should come up with a better system. "Papers" is not a better system because it takes longer to assimilate the information. A wristband or other badge is like a graph: all the information you need in a very simple format.

Stansgran Mon 25-Jan-16 18:57:19

Oh we are such a horrible collection of people aren't we? We take in these refugees and only give them three meals a day and only 40 quid a week . All the while trying to sort out paper work and jobs. They' d be better off in the camps in France or on the inflatables in the Med wouldn't they? I have read the story of a Jewish schoolboy who was taken in here to school. I don't know if I can find the link but really comparing what is happening now to refugees in this country with the struggle of those who made it here on the kinder transport is insulting IMO to those who actually went through the holocaust.

Elegran Mon 25-Jan-16 18:50:52

Ana Some are in self-catering with weekly supermarket vouchers and some in "full -board" accommodation with three meals a day provided

"The operations director of Clearsprings Ready Homes, said: “The UK has, over recent months, seen a larger population of asylum seekers. In turn volumes of people in initial accommodation sites, including Cardiff increased quickly."

"Clearsprings has taken steps, agreed with the Home Office to increase capacity in line with this demand in the form of additional self-catering accommodation."

“Those clients in the self-catering units receive a weekly allowance in the form of supermarket vouchers and those in full-board accommodation are issued with a coloured wristband that bears no other logo or text identifying its use or origin. Full-board clients are required to show their wristbands in order to receive meals in the restaurant.”

Elegran Mon 25-Jan-16 18:46:51

They are queueing outside the centre for their food. Is it quicker to look at their papers or to glance at a wristband?

Do their papers have a photograph?

Ana Mon 25-Jan-16 18:43:22

I thought they got £39.50 a week.

durhamjen Mon 25-Jan-16 18:40:22

Did you have your photo taken, and fingerprints taken to go to this holiday camp?

durhamjen Mon 25-Jan-16 18:39:27

Don't be ridiculous, petra. You're talking about people who can still be sent back to war zones as if they are on holiday.