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12Michael Mon 05-Oct-15 07:21:18

Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.

Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might "not be around" at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance.

And others would forget which party had done it, he added.

At the group's meeting at the Conservative conference in Manchester, former defence secretary Liam Fox said spending cuts must be "for keeps".

Mr Wild said the Tories could not wait until a year before the next election to make the necessary cuts to the winter fuel allowance, free bus passes, the Christmas bonus and other pensioner benefits.


The cuts should be made "as soon as possible after an election for two reasons", said Mr Wild.

"The first of which will sound a little bit morbid - some of the people... won't be around to vote against you in the next election. So that's just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then."

He added: "If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might be thinking, 'Oh I can't remember, was it this government or was it the last one? I'm not quite sure.'

"So on a purely practical basis I would say do it immediately. That might be one of those things I regret saying in later life but that would be my practical advice to the government."

'Day of reckoning'

Mr Fox told the meeting that the government had to act now to make further cuts to pensioner benefits and welfare.

He said "we can never go back" to the "historically high" levels of public spending seen in recent years and the government's public spending cuts must be "for keeps".

"This is the time to fix the roof" he said.

"We have a broken opposition. We have just won a general election and we need now to take the tough decisions we believe are right."

Now that Labour was not such a "great threat", this was a "great opportunity for us to do some of the more difficult things, however unpalatable they will be in the short term are what we need to do for the country", said the right-wing backbencher.

He added: "We need to do what we all know deep in our hearts to be right."

Liam FoxImage copyright Conservative Party
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Former defence secretary Liam Fox said the government had to make further cuts

Mr Fox added that the government had to make the "moral" case for reducing public spending further.

"We are borrowing from the next generation to spend today. That is otherwise known as a Ponzi scheme," he said.

"It's what we are operating as a national financial policy."

He added: "If you continue to overspend there will be a day of reckoning."

He said this was because borrowing costs would rise and the era of low inflation would not last forever, meaning economic growth on its own was not enough to balance the books.

Older people would understand the need for cuts to their benefits to help the next generation, he suggested.

"We have got to start to get really honest with people because this is not a sustainable position," he said.

"We can't afford it now, we can't afford it in the future, why don't we try to get a longer-term plan put in place so that people can make the adjustments they will need to make for us to be able to get back into balance."

NotTooOld Tue 06-Oct-15 15:48:51

Our local bus service has recently been reduced, making it possible to get a bus to the railway station but impossible to get one back again - then we are told 'use it or lose it'! Same problem if we stay in town, do some shipping, have lunch - too late, missed the bus back. Ridiculous.

NotTooOld Tue 06-Oct-15 15:49:24

I mean SHOPPING.

anniestamp Tue 06-Oct-15 16:10:32

All I can say is we've got the government we voted for

Nelliemoser Tue 06-Oct-15 16:15:54

We didn't get the Government I voted for but that's democracy for you.

I would have to move house to even get an MP I would vote for. No hope of any constituency change here.

rosesarered Tue 06-Oct-15 16:19:12

Hang about! This is not actually happening you know.grin people getting worked up for nothing. plus the fact that it was this Government that refused to change anything for pensioners, so we are ring fenced until the next election.

NotTooOld Tue 06-Oct-15 16:40:39

I'm not sure how I feel about being ring fenced, roses. confused Is it anything to do with cows and bullocks? Do hope not.

rosesarered Tue 06-Oct-15 17:11:05

grin just means our pensions and extras are guaranteed!

Ana Tue 06-Oct-15 17:17:45

Some people just love to get outraged about nothing more than speculation and conjecture, don't they? hmm

Nonnie Tue 06-Oct-15 17:32:24

Finally, some sense! I know it was said earlier but doesn't seem to have sunk in! There are comments on lots of threads which are stated as fact and are not. Where do people get these 'facts' from?

whitewave Tue 06-Oct-15 17:34:04

What facts are you talking about nonnie ?

rosesarered Tue 06-Oct-15 17:35:00

Why let truth get in the way of a good story? grin

rosesarered Tue 06-Oct-15 17:36:26

They Were ideas talked about by somebody from a think tank, not facts as in 'it will happen'.

Nonnie Tue 06-Oct-15 17:37:12

Oh no Whitewave self preservation stops me from saying but most intelligent people will have seen them.

whitewave Tue 06-Oct-15 17:46:54

That is the whole point rose the fact is that the Tories are talking about pensions in fringe meetings - the idea is on the table. Look at Fox's comments saying that pensions should not have been ring fenced, I am sure that he is not the only Tory who would argue this.

durhamjen Tue 06-Oct-15 17:53:44

Nonnie, it is a fact that these ideas were talked about by Tories in fringe meetings. Or are you saying you know differently?

Ana Tue 06-Oct-15 17:55:43

So 'talked about' means it's definitely going to happen, does it?

Nonnie Tue 06-Oct-15 17:57:42

durham what? How did you get to that? This is what makes some of the comments on the forums so ridiculous. When people 'interpret' what we say and come to their own conclusions and decide they know what someone else thinks. I despair of having any sort of reasonable adult debate. sad

Nonnie Tue 06-Oct-15 18:00:13

Ana if we believed everything which is 'talked about' we would be very confused. Perhaps we should make notes and remind people in a couple of years time of what they said? Remember we used to have someone on here who kept notes about us?

durhamjen Tue 06-Oct-15 18:00:48

Read the OP, Nonnie.

Ana Tue 06-Oct-15 18:04:51

Yes, I do, Nonnie. I wonder what happened to that notebook...

whitewave Tue 06-Oct-15 18:07:05

Of course undoubtedly the Tories may well decide that they are not prepared to take on the pensioners, particularly if the economy which is extremely fragile goes pearshaped, but we know that so often these issues are brought to the table, the argument is "well it is only an argument/idea and then , disaster, it is in the next/future budget. Keeping quiet about these things is not the answer.

Nonnie Tue 06-Oct-15 18:09:11

Read it DJ and your point is? Presumably it relates to something I said or did it come out of thin air?

Elrel Tue 06-Oct-15 18:20:40

Maybe irrationally I still feel deeply and personally offended at what Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance is reported to have said in a fringe meeting at the Tory Conference. As I understand it he said why not cut pensioners' benefits now as by the next general election we will either have died or forgotten about the cuts. Nasty and callous. I hope he sinks without trace in politics.

Maggiemaybe Tue 06-Oct-15 18:21:01

I think most of the comments on this thread, or the earlier ones at least, are expressing outrage at the advice to government re pushing through reforms to pensions/pensioners' "perks" now, as many pensioners will be dead before the next election or unable to remember who was behind the reforms.

I for one am not working myself up into a frenzy about something that will not happen. I am just annoyed about the cynical and disparaging remarks that were made.

Maggiemaybe Tue 06-Oct-15 18:27:37

Who was keeping notes? Do tell! grin