Personally I don't agree with people who receive a Freedom Pass but are still working. I know several men who received their Freedom Pass at age 60 but some of them were still working full time and earning well in excess of £30,000 per annum; that, to me, is bloody outrageous.
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(113 Posts)Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.
Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might "not be around" at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance.
And others would forget which party had done it, he added.
At the group's meeting at the Conservative conference in Manchester, former defence secretary Liam Fox said spending cuts must be "for keeps".
Mr Wild said the Tories could not wait until a year before the next election to make the necessary cuts to the winter fuel allowance, free bus passes, the Christmas bonus and other pensioner benefits.
The cuts should be made "as soon as possible after an election for two reasons", said Mr Wild.
"The first of which will sound a little bit morbid - some of the people... won't be around to vote against you in the next election. So that's just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then."
He added: "If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might be thinking, 'Oh I can't remember, was it this government or was it the last one? I'm not quite sure.'
"So on a purely practical basis I would say do it immediately. That might be one of those things I regret saying in later life but that would be my practical advice to the government."
'Day of reckoning'
Mr Fox told the meeting that the government had to act now to make further cuts to pensioner benefits and welfare.
He said "we can never go back" to the "historically high" levels of public spending seen in recent years and the government's public spending cuts must be "for keeps".
"This is the time to fix the roof" he said.
"We have a broken opposition. We have just won a general election and we need now to take the tough decisions we believe are right."
Now that Labour was not such a "great threat", this was a "great opportunity for us to do some of the more difficult things, however unpalatable they will be in the short term are what we need to do for the country", said the right-wing backbencher.
He added: "We need to do what we all know deep in our hearts to be right."
Liam FoxImage copyright Conservative Party
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Former defence secretary Liam Fox said the government had to make further cuts
Mr Fox added that the government had to make the "moral" case for reducing public spending further.
"We are borrowing from the next generation to spend today. That is otherwise known as a Ponzi scheme," he said.
"It's what we are operating as a national financial policy."
He added: "If you continue to overspend there will be a day of reckoning."
He said this was because borrowing costs would rise and the era of low inflation would not last forever, meaning economic growth on its own was not enough to balance the books.
Older people would understand the need for cuts to their benefits to help the next generation, he suggested.
"We have got to start to get really honest with people because this is not a sustainable position," he said.
"We can't afford it now, we can't afford it in the future, why don't we try to get a longer-term plan put in place so that people can make the adjustments they will need to make for us to be able to get back into balance."
Freedom Pass? Is that a London thing?
Are you sure about the age there wondergran? The Freedom Pass can only be applied for the month before state retirement age. I won't be allowed to collect my bus pass until after my 64th birthday.
If you let them take away the fuel allowance on the grounds that some people don't need it then it will be the thin edge of the wedge. How long before people with private pensions no longer need a state pension?
My fears exactly vampirequeen.
I'm with AdeleJay on this. Government and young people seem to forget that we get these benefits because we have paid taxes and NI for many years.
In fact I still DO thanks to my entrepreneurial DH starting up a highly successful business that currently provides work for hundreds of people and exports around the world bringing millions into the country's economy!!
And yes, I use my bus pass to travel into the city, thus helping to reduce carbon emissions and clogging up the roads.
I am really fed up being made to feel like a freeloader by these people!
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This is why they are known as the NASTY party. They are making most of their changes in the backs of poorer people and feathering the nests of the rich. The gap is growing.
I have yet to hear anything coming out of this conference about tackling the massive issue of tax avoidance/evasion by large multinationals. I was glad to see the usually smooth and urbane DC looking a little flustered last night when he was being questioned by Evan Davis. I think that this matter of the tax credits being cut before the pay rises come in is going to be their poll tax.
Anya glad you made that point, it needs reiterating all the time. Just this morning I have had to point out yet again that the Freedom Pass is only for Londoners. Several times I have heard MPs talk about it as if we all get it. They should get outside the M25 now and again and realise the country is not only London. I could go on about how much public money gets spent on the Arts in London compared to the rest of the country but if I got on my soapbox about that I might not get off again!
I well remember my mother saying many years ago," If Maggie Thatcher could think of some way of getting rid of all the pensioners without there being a fuss then she would do so. Thet thinking is still there in the conservative party.
A few years ago I went to college as a mature student, not having had the chance of further education when I was young. I noticed that whenever the suggestion of peaceful protest arose among the young students, it was always in relation to their grants, not to supporting the disadvantaged.
In my day we marched for the miners, we marched for CND, not for self interest. I'd like to see older people get out onto the streets to support those who cannot help themselves.
jackie I think that demonstrates (pun intended!) how society has changed. I did some protesting in my day for things I believed in but younger people seem to be all about themselves. We must have done something wrong.
Nonnie - I agree with both your posts above.
Right, that's it, I will outlive Liam Fox if it kills me. 
Thanks NTO I have every intention of outliving him too. My DSs believe I will live forever and won't discuss what happens when I die so they must be right. I brought them up to always tell the truth! 
Re the bus pass I paid for mine to be issued. I only use it occasionally. We live in a relatively rural area and getting from A to B by bus is complicated.
I can go into the local city by bus quite easily but I can't do that and lug home my weekly shopping run.
I go about 12 miles up the road to a choir twice a week and that is impossible by bus.
However if I don't use my bus pass it does not cost any one.
I don't think we appreciate enough the economic value of the free bus pass. Many of us senior citizens use the bus to meet friends, enjoy a coffee, shop a little etc. Even if we only spend £1 it is still a contribution to the local economy and should not be under valued.
I have a bus pass which I never use but I also have a Metro pass for which there is an annual charge, I used that one once in the last year.
We may be relatively wealthy pensioners but we are also supporting the next generation who would struggle without a little extra help.
I have a bus pass which I rarely use now that the bus service passing my door no longer goes right into town. Previously I found it very useful for getting to the mainline station without having to pay for a taxi. Our local council gives a 30% discount on the senior railcard which takes me quite frequently to visit my families.
I agree it would be far better to add the WFA to our state pensions . As for the freebie TV licence I think most of us think it is well worth the money and are willing to pay it. This government has no compassion and cares not for the vulnerable old and sick. Interesting that our free bus passes actually generates money ! Not surprising though as when I use my free travel card I often have a coffee or pay for an entry into an exhibition etc!
Nonnie I actually think that a lot of people who've been attracted into politics by Jeremy Corbyn's campaign are young people so there's some hope that they may become the activists of the future - we'll sure need them if this lot are left to ruin the NHS, welfare state etc
Re the WFA I do think that it's correct that it was brought in instead of rises to the State Pension, so is not a free gift, it's what we worked for!
Re the bus pass, if they were taken away the bus companies would lose out and routes would be cut which would be bad for bus companies and for the many pensioners who cannot afford to run a car. Whenever I use the bus I always spend in shops and cafes as part of my day out. Our money is good for the economy. And getting out keeps us healthy and we are less likely to become a burden on society.
I really hope that GillT57 is right when she says that cutting tax credits for working families may come back to bite the Tories in the derriere, but it probably won't.
It still rankles considerably that we are having this conversation online. You would have thought that we could be treated with a little respect.
A better idea would be to stop the derisory 25p pension inrease on reaching 80. It must cost many times more to administer than any benefit it offers, which is nothing actually.
Ooh, I forgot we had that to look forward to (if we get there) 
I would love to have a bus pass (I'm 60, but like so many others not entitled to mine till I get my state pension when I'm 66). We do have a car, but I would make a lot more spontaneous journeys on public transport on my own and with DH if it didn't cost so much, and obviously I'd be spending while I was out. As it stands the busfare into our nearest town (3 miles away) costs £5.60 return, so I ration my trips.
Very interesting post from 12Michael re. the legislation regarding bus passes. I often use one of our local 'Park and Ride' buses and a couple of months ago I was told that we now have to pay £1 together with showing the bus pass!
H m m ! Methinks I'll be challenging the bus company.
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