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Prince Charles in Ireland

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jinglbellsfrocks Tue 19-May-15 22:09:07

Anyone else feel really sorry for him? He loved his uncle and there is no way he can have put that terrible event behind him. He must still hate Adams and his cronies.

The things he has to do in the line of duty!

Anniebach Wed 20-May-15 19:04:20

Same for me Iam, too easy to think all killings were carried out in evil attacks by the IRA and all killings carried out by unionists and the army were self defence . I admired Charles today for acknowledging the grief suffered by all regardless of faith etc and I admire the people of Ireland for extending such warmth to the colonel in chief of the parachute regiment

loopylou Wed 20-May-15 20:55:43

Of course there were atrocities on both sides but it wasn't just the Irish on both sides, the IRA bombed, massacred and murdered many innocent people in England too.

I was nursing in St. George's Hospital, Hyde Park at the time of the Hyde Park bomb and saw sights I'd never want anyone to experience.

I accept that things must move on but I, for one, will not forget or forgive anyone associated with the IRA.

Iam64 Wed 20-May-15 21:03:35

loopylou, you are of course absolutely right to add the massacres and murders of innocent people in England. I apologise if my post seemed to dismiss that. I was caught up in my conflicted feelings about the need to somehow change the relationship between NI and the rest of the UK, (mainly of course, England).

I live in Gtr Manchester, my nephew was in manchester at age 16 when the bomb in the Arndale centre devastated the city. How hundreds weren't killed we'll never know. We're a short distance from Warrington where 2 young boys were blown up by the IRA. My father was a senior police officer involved in policing a big pro republican demonstration in Manchester many years ago. I remember how frighted his family were for his safety and can't imagine what it was like for you as a nurse following the Hyde Park bomb.

loopylou Wed 20-May-15 21:13:07

I was scared sh....ss to be honest.

We were told there were more bombs and to expect multiple bodies.
I remember trying to clean up the floors to stop us slipping up.......
And being so sickened.

I'd never even seen a bad road accident victim until then, we just blanked it out and went into auto drive I guess.

Sorry.

merlotgran Wed 20-May-15 21:28:58

While Adams was talking of atrocities on both sides I hope he was including the murders of many of his own countrymen by IRA thugs.

Tegan Wed 20-May-15 21:39:42

I remember being worried about my children going into town when they got older. Who would have thought that we went through all those years of worry over IRA bombs and now have Islamic Fundamentalists doing the same. Whatever the reason behind it all I don't know how anyone can do such a thing to innocent people sad.

Deedaa Wed 20-May-15 21:42:04

And all those dead horses laid out in Hyde Park. The whole thing was so hideous and pointless. What did it achieve except to harden resistance against the IRA?

trisher Wed 20-May-15 22:06:55

Many states are founded by the actions of violent people sometimes called terrorists and sometimes freedom fighters. The history of Ireland is filled with unnecessary deaths, making accusations and calling people evil does nothing to help the peace process. There were crimes on both sides and both sides thought they were justified in doing what they did. By shaking hands both Charles and Gerry Adams show they have moved on and are committed to a peaceful Ireland. I admire both of them. No one is expected to forgive or to forget, but working for peace requires acceptance of the past whilst planning for the future. Let us hope that the peace holds.

Eloethan Thu 21-May-15 00:23:15

I agree trisher.

merlotgran Thu 21-May-15 09:22:11

I agree with what you say, trisher but I can't help feeling that it suits Adams to play the peacemaker now and he doesn't ever come across as having a sincere bone in his body.

Just my opinion.

Iam64 Thu 21-May-15 09:27:53

You may well be right merlotgran but we must all be relieved that the bombing, killing of innocents and the fragile peace is holding.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 21-May-15 09:27:57

You admire Jerry Adams???

That is crass.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 21-May-15 09:31:31

Have you forgotten Warrington? And all the others? Yes. Move on with peace. Forgiveness is something I, for one, can't manage.

Greyduster Thu 21-May-15 09:31:48

To listen to Gerry Adams these days, you would think butter never melted in his mouth but he and McGuinness - especially the latter - have more blood on their hands than bears thinking about. If I were Prince Charles I would not have been able to be in the same room with either if them.

AshTree Thu 21-May-15 09:41:44

jings I am 100% with you. I would shake the hand of anyone who has genuine forgiveness for terrible evil committed against them. But I would never be able to shake the hand of the one who committed it.

Nelliemoser Thu 21-May-15 09:46:07

Perhaps the cup of tea was provided by Mrs Doyle. Ah! Go on! Go on sir! Have a cup of tea and a sandwich! He would not have dared to refuse.

Anniebach Thu 21-May-15 10:02:28

N Ireland isn't part of the UK, the innocent N I people are not British? Not part of us ? Killings in Hyde Park was an atrocity , Bloody Sunday can be dismissed because it didn't happen in England ?

Nelliemoser Thu 21-May-15 10:09:11

Dreadful things have been done but we just have to move on.

This means putting aside these old hatreds and resentments or we will never have peace anywhere.

That does not always mean we have to forgive but unless we all stop holding grudges we will never have peace and reconciliation.

Anniebach Thu 21-May-15 11:20:43

I just do not understand how anyone can think killing innocent people in England is so much worse than killing innocent people in Ireland , they are part of us, yet dead horses in England seem more brutal than dead people in Ireland . NIMBY it seems

Greyduster Thu 21-May-15 11:21:17

They don't have peace now. There are still bombings (one very recently) and shootings happening in Ulster and I refuse to believe that the men who were behind the Provos do not have associations - how we tenuous - with the so-called 'Real IRA'. Leopards don't change their spots that easily.

Greyduster Thu 21-May-15 11:22:43

"However" tenuous!

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 21-May-15 11:27:21

Who thinks that Anniebach? I doubt if anyone on here does. hmm

Anniebach Thu 21-May-15 11:41:20

Jingle, the comments they bombed England too and the dead horses in Hyde Park, the fear felt by the English, I felt fear for the country and by country I mean the four countries of the UK

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 21-May-15 12:08:21

I don't remember feeling any fear. You never think it will happen to you do you. I remember sadness and feeling anger. I remember hearing of a mother and her children killed by a bomb in Ireland, one of the children still in a pushchair. I don't know which was responsible, but I hated the perpetrators. Still do.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 21-May-15 12:08:56

which side