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Nonnie Wed 04-Mar-15 09:27:37

This whole story is so disturbing but I worry that it could still be happening. My (very limited) experience of social workers is that in one year they changed 4 times so their was no consistency, not because they changed jobs but because one of the people concerned complained about them. If SW's are constantly moved on from case to case how can anyone really get deeply into the situation?

It seems to me that a stand is taken at the beginning and nothing moves them from that stand. Things get written down as facts which are not but the subsequent SW accepts them as facts despite them being disputed because another professional has put them in the file. There appears to be no independent thinking.

I must stress I only have one experience but it has really shocked me at how common sense and objectivity are lacking.

Jane10 Wed 04-Mar-15 09:24:35

We must do all we can to help girls to develop more confidence to have a higher regard for themselves. If they don't value themselves then how will others. Us women must toughen up and not be fobbed off by talk of multi disciplinary meetings and case reviews etc. If a things not right its not right. These systems mentioned by J52 are precisely what hasn't worked! Poor SWs, I can't see why anyone would want to be one. They're damned if they do something and damned if they don't. At the very least there should be some sharpening of focus on protecting our girls- and they are all our girls. Still ranting!

loopylou Wed 04-Mar-15 09:10:57

Sadly very probably true Gracesgran

Gracesgran Wed 04-Mar-15 09:00:10

Is it that many cultures, including the culture of the police, social services and others who should have been helping and, indeed, prosecuting, have/had a low opinion of the value of girls?

We think this is only inured in the culture of India, China, etc., but perhaps it is still in our culture too.

J52 Wed 04-Mar-15 08:57:43

The teachers do notice and every absence is followed up. Teaching and its associated tasks means that schools have to wait for information from SWs, parents and carers. They can't just wade in like super heroes and sort things out.

Most, if not all schools, have non teaching pastoral staff, who support troubled students, but often their hands are tied by protocol.
Sitting in case conferences and the like, as a teacher, you are usually only required to comment on educational matters. Other aspects of a child's life are for the other professionals.

Apologies to the excellent SWs on GN, but I have met some humdingers over 40 years. No profession is perfect. x

loopylou Wed 04-Mar-15 08:49:16

I despair too, goodness only knows how many more cases will emerge.
The fact that almost all the abusers were Packistani reflects the appalling rapes and murders in India and Packistan? Surely it must be a cultural reflection on some of them having a warped attitude towards women?

Duckingdowntoavoidflack.........

Jane10 Wed 04-Mar-15 08:21:30

I despaired once more reading about almost 400 girls sexually abused by groups of men. The police and SW have come in for criticism -quite rightly to my mind. However, these girls were aged between 12 and 15. Were they not at school? Did teachers not notice? I gather some parents tried to get help but were ignored. Would you have allowed yourself to be ignored? Easy to say but I know it must have been hellish for them. What's wrong with our families that we don't /can't seem to keep our girls safe. Its interesting that the abusers were almost all of pakistani origin. Our girls must have seemed such easy targets compared to those in their own families. No easy answers - just ranting!