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thatbags Fri 12-Sept-14 08:20:41

Not because of pedantry. My recent use of a phrase in the subjunctive mood, which I think was widely misunderstood, is the cause of this plea.

Some people argue that we don't use the subjunctive mood in English. I argue that we do; at least I do. I think the problem is that it is difficult to recognise, as my experience yesterday showed.

What do other people think about English language subjunctive clauses? Do you use them? Do people understand you when you do?

smile

Elegran Fri 12-Sept-14 15:30:57

She will be back, Ana, with a new name. She has left and returned before.

Elegran Fri 12-Sept-14 15:30:03

If she is in the huff because of something Bags said, I took that as meaning that she (Bags) would not take offence, even if etc. Not sure why anyone saw an insult in it.

You have turned very sensitive, Aka, for someone who is usually quite robust.

Ana Fri 12-Sept-14 15:07:37

Oh, bugger, she's gone already - just tried to send a PM.

Ana Fri 12-Sept-14 15:00:58

Don't go just because of that, Aka! sad

We've weathered worse things...

rosequartz Fri 12-Sept-14 15:00:50

Sod -a clump of earth as in 'Good King Wenceslas'

Galen Fri 12-Sept-14 13:56:45

shock language jing

Elegran Fri 12-Sept-14 13:56:14

Aka Have you tried to post something that did not get through? Your last one is more than a little cryptic.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 12-Sept-14 13:54:53

Sod that Galen. hmm

Galen Fri 12-Sept-14 13:52:35

I typed oi you. B ipad

Galen Fri 12-Sept-14 13:51:54

Or even your mother?hmm

Galen Fri 12-Sept-14 13:51:28

Jing did your norther never tell you that " ok you" is not ladylike and note used in polite circles? smile

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 12-Sept-14 13:49:23

confused

Galen Fri 12-Sept-14 13:49:12

Don't askhmm

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 12-Sept-14 13:48:46

Oi you!

Come back!

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 12-Sept-14 13:47:58

Whaaaat???? shock

Aka Fri 12-Sept-14 13:46:56

It would be rude to go without saying goodbye to all those who have become friends and supported me in bad times. So I wish you all the best.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 12-Sept-14 13:40:08

Anyone else still awake when they reached this point in English lessons?

Yawn.

thatbags Fri 12-Sept-14 13:39:42

I think that one's more like a prayer or wish, soutra, as in "Let god save the queen".

Soutra Fri 12-Sept-14 13:11:46

While uses of the subjunctive tend to feature in subordinate clauses surely "God save the Queen" counts as a statement? confused - not sure though...........

Icyalittle Fri 12-Sept-14 11:52:31

Yes, I use subjunctives, very often. And I bet most people here do too, even if they swear they don't. 'If I were you...' For example.

Icyalittle Fri 12-Sept-14 11:50:46

Given the relationship between the subjunctive and modal verbs, I would say not, thatbags.

thatbags Fri 12-Sept-14 11:41:08

It wasn't a personal attack. It was the straightforward truth—my true colours, as someone remarked. Yes. I hope I show my true colours always. GNers who have seen my posts over a longish period of time really should know that I and my posts are straightforward. I don't mind if people prefer to call it forthrightness or even bluntness, tho I do try, believe or not, not to be too blunt. I don't shy away from being forthright. Well, I do, but not in posts on here. If I can't be as straightforward as I'd like to be about a particular thing, I don't post on it.

For the first time in my life (more truth tho I'm aware some might not believe what I'm going to say) I understood the expression "if the cap fits" when I saw the response to my subjunctive statement.

Now there's a riddle—can one make a statement in the subjunctive?

Probably not.

petallus Fri 12-Sept-14 11:36:37

Anyway, I got it wrong. Having looked at the original sentence, what I should have said to the drunk was:

(I'll have to change the scenario a bit so I know the drunk. It can be DH, just back from the pub.)

'I never feel intimidated by anything you say, even if I do think it stupid and aggressive.'

Incidentally, that would start DH off on a rant in which case I could tell him he was uneducated as well.

grin

whenim64 Fri 12-Sept-14 11:01:42

No, I was kidding, Petallus. As far as the drunk's concerned, he wouldn't know either way. As you were (or perhaps as you are now?) smile

Galen Fri 12-Sept-14 11:00:43

Petallus if he was drunk! more likely Cambridge.