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Things getting worse for young women?

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JessM Thu 08-May-14 18:57:57

I heard an item on this on women's hour earlier this week. Sound like important watching if you are concerned about girls and young women - and what boys have to cope with.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0436qlw

FarNorth Wed 04-Mar-15 01:16:20

Yes, the BBC programme referred to in the OP was broadcast almost a year ago, and ....?

Admittedly we now can't hear the programme but we can still read its description which reads :
From bomb threats sent to campaigners for more females on banknotes to sexually explicit pop videos. From extreme laddism at universities to rape jokes in the school yard... Kirsty Wark explores whether there's a new culture abroad in which it's acceptable to write about, talk about, and feature women in a sexually offensive, even abusive way. Or whether the female of the species just needs to 'man up', learn to enjoy a gag, and get used to the 21st century world.

Does anyone have any views on this?

soontobe Fri 06-Mar-15 11:25:05

On social media, women, especialy young ones, are choosing to follow, singers, WAGS, and models.
Meanwhile, young men are following sports stars, acedemics and politicians.

soontobe Fri 06-Mar-15 11:32:56

I can only find a Daily Mail link
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2979456/Young-singers-models-WAGs-win-followers-women-men-sports-stars-politicans-academics.html

Eloethan Fri 06-Mar-15 13:33:05

Women will be trapped in domestication - and unable to be fully independent - if their role is seen purely as a childminding/caring one.

I believe that what we need is shorter and more flexible working hours so that both parents can pursue a career and play a meaningful part in their children's lives. It is high time that average working hours are substantially reduced so that infants are not stuck in nurseries from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. every day.

Measures that are designed to encourage women (and some of the posts on here refer specifically to women) to stay at home and focus on child rearing will consign them to a caring role and discourage them from pursuing a career, being self-supporting and following their own interests.

soontobe Fri 06-Mar-15 16:12:20

More flexible working hours, yes.

Average working hours substantially reduced - that would make the country economically much poorer, so I dont agree with that.

I have been thinking about your post. In homes where both parents are out of work, and maybe the man does as much parenting and as the woman, I havent seen feminism emanate from there. Why not? Perhaps in some way, they already have equality?

[I realise that this has nothing to do with the op, but no one is replying to that].

JessM Fri 06-Mar-15 16:58:16

So, soontobe it's their own silly fault? Is that your point?

BTW if you look at the date on my OP... it was kindly given CPR by worthit

granjura Fri 06-Mar-15 17:01:14

The firm where our DD1 was a Senior manager when she had GC1 was well-known for enabling women to return to work gradually and part-time after having children. But this was not available for senior managers- you just can't lead a top project with a large team, when part-time. And in many professions, if you stay away from the top for more than 1 year- you can forget it as far as professional progression goes.

grannyactivist Fri 06-Mar-15 17:16:03

Would he have supported you 100%?

To answer your question from a couple of days ago granjura, yes. When I returned to study my husband was a much better household manager than I had been. He washed, ironed, shopped, cooked, did all the housework AND he took himself off to the mother of our daughters' friend and learned how to do French braids. What's more he did it all without ever intimating that he was 'helping' me; he took the view then, as he does now, that we are a team and our roles are fluid dependent upon current circumstances.

Boy, do I love that man. grin

soontobe Fri 06-Mar-15 17:57:05

JessM, I dont understand your question.

soontobe Fri 06-Mar-15 17:57:51

The answer is almost bound to be no though!

granjura Fri 06-Mar-15 18:20:47

Wonderful grannyactivist. OH worked VERY long hours, so could not step up to the mark as you describe- but his moral support and hands on as much as poss was remarkable in different ways. I know many women who returned to study or work who had nothing but horrible trouble from their husband, and were made to feel guilty, inadequate, selfish, etc, etc, etc- by their men. Many ended up separating- tragically.

Should we then say that mothers should not do either- because the children will suffer if the men are not prepared to help make it work? If we do, then ...!?!

The senior lecturer who asked me what my husband thought about me going back to full time study at uni- did apologise later, and told me she thought I needed to know some men (education Rita) just get very jealous, and just cannot cope with a woman trying to 'grow', etc- and were just not able or willing to change and adapt to enable this. Several of the women who were at Uni with me were ledt by their husband during or right after the course. One husband dumped his wife on the day or her finals, out of spite- telling her he'd been having an affair for 2 years. She went to her exams, and got a 2.1 instead of a 1st- and fell apart temporarily afterwards. His cared not a jot for the effect on their 2 young children either. B****rd!