Jeremy Corbyn

The "if you're not with us you're agin us" is a very childish simplistic stance which I find quite surprising in people one would have thought were old enough to know better, but that is essentially seems to be the stance of some of the Corbyn fans on here.

Corbyn seems to interest those on the right

He should be of interest to everyone who has a vote surely?

Anyway, if we can't poke a little fun at our politicians, left, right, centre wherever they are on the political spectrum, then we must be living in a police state.

Jeremy and his vest, Nigel and his pint, David (has he got a spray tan or not?), Boris and his hair, Tim and [thinks] (don''t know enough about him yet)

Interesting people interest interested people about covers it, I think. Corbyn's interesting. #plainspeak

At the risk of getting into trouble for referencing another thread, here is a parallel.

Someone informed us that doubting and researching the validity of any statement in the Bible lets Satan in to seize our souls, and that several Christian denominations were inspired by Satan for the same purpose.

Anyone who agrees with that 100% is obviously in the same camp as the poster, but what of those who don't agree 100%? Is it just as obvious that they are in Satan's camp?

As a matter of principle we should vote according to policies rather than through habit. My parents always voted the same. We used to say they would vote for that certain party if they hung a Kipper up.

I do try to consider my vote. Usually means I end up as Liberal Democrat. Sadly not this year.

As for Jeremy......Not keen.

So Libs dems are not to the right of labour? Oh well

As I knew nothing much about Tim (and his ) I thought I would have a look:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/11741946/24-things-you-didnt-know-about-Tim-Farron.html

Nothing that exciting, except that he wears Doc Marten's and was once an aspiring rock star.

Will he wear his Doc Marten's to the Cenotaph? Riveting question, the tabloids will be on to that one!

Photos of feet, vests, hair, perma-tans, hidden beer bottles

And what colour poppy they're all wearing, of course.

Best not to miss out a comb over

Ooh, who's got a comb over?

Donald Trump for sure.

Hope he doesn't come over here again .....

DMs at the cenotaph isn't a problem as long as they are black and polished I'd've thought. It's what I'll be wearing at my local parade. Unless I'm mistaken (and I probably am) we haven't had any uproar about who wore what since dear old Michael Foot. Personally, I think turning up with the right attitude mattered more than what you wear, or what colour poppy come to think of it, but that's just me.

The right attitude, certainly. But even opinions as to what that is seem to differ these days.

Interesting that several people have used the term "adolescent" to describe those who have left wing beliefs. I wonder why it is adolescent to believe that a more equal society where the weakest are supported, the wealthiest contribute properly and working people are treated well, is something to strive for? Can it be that they know that actually these are valid beliefs, and belittling them is the only way they can deal with them?
I don't particularly care if Corbyn is good for pensioners. Given the chance he could improve conditions for the poorest and weakest, whatever their age.

I have used the term 'adolescent', trisher, but not in the way you seem to have interpreted it. I don't see the having of left wing views as a problem at all.

Or as adolescent.

Personally, I think the Danes have got it right. As I understand it everyone pays a huge amount of tax (50% I think) but can expect a reasonable and realistic amount of government support in return when needed. In the public sector salaries are pretty average, even amongst the professionals. But I guess it's easy to persuade a small country of around 5m to pull together for the greater good. Here, you can be a self-serving Lord, sign in as often as possible then walk out the other door and still get paid your £300+ daily allowance for (non) attendance at the House of Lords without feeling shame BUT the poorest workers aren't granted the basic LIVING wage as defined by our government. If wanting that to change is loony or adolescent, then I'm both.

Hang on a minute..... Until five years ago we had a Labour Government,in power for a long time, and what did they do for the living wage?Think About it. They could have brought it in , but they didn't.The Tories, like them or loathe them depending on your politics, are aiming towards a really good living wage over the next few years.The tax credits could have been handled better, and brought in slowly as Frank Field suggested, but should be phased out altogether, and firms pay your wage, not the Government (Us.)

Yep,I accept that rosesarered, which is why I think it's good that Jeremy Corbyn and like minded colleagues are having a go at pushing for change.

The Labour Party brought in the minimum wage. The Tories and company bosses were completely against it, and said there would be lots of job losses. There weren't.

The living wage is a misnomer. The minimum wage would be as high next year. Osborne has just taken over an idea, called it the national living wage.
It is below the living wage now.

www.livingwage.org.uk/

These companies pay the real living wage, not a pretend one. At the moment it is £7.85. Osborne is putting it at £7.20 next April.
The minimum wage at the moment is £6.85, so calling £7.20 next April a living wage is just ridiculous.

Strange how easily people can be taken in. That's how we've got a Tory government.

No it isn't.

We got a Tory Government ( let's be honest here) because Labour left us in huge debt over five years ago.The Conservatives together with the Lib Dems
Did a pretty good job of turning things around.At the last election, voters still didn't trust Labour with the economy, and saw things were getting a bit better so voted the same way again.All except for the daft Lib Dems,who had so enjoyed being out of power so they could make up what policies suited them, who now decided to punish their own party for helping the country get back on it's feet, and in so doing, wiped them out.So we have aConservative Government ruling on it's own.I have been a Lib Dem myself and think it's a damn shame, but there you are.If we continue doing well economically, then no doubt the Conservatives will be voted in again at the next election as well!

Tell that to all the people who are going to lose £1300 next April.