Jeremy Corbyn

Anyway, roses, you were wrong about the government and the living wage.
A really good living wage?
On the news now all the government can say is what they are going to save, not about the poor being made poorer. Three million families to be made poorer. That's very noble of them.

We will have to wait and see, there are four years to go until the next election,their promise was something like £9 by then.

The labour government brought in the minimum wage, the Tories fought against it with claims it would cause businesses to close .

The government has now given the minimum wage a new name - a living wage , the minimum wage is now £6.70 per hour , in 2020 it will be £9 per hour - perhaps , those on the minimum wage who receive benefit support will lose this now, and these are the hard working families so dear to this government

If it really does go up to £9 an hour then that is great news for low paid workers, call it what you want, minimum wage/ living wage.Why moan about it?

And with the welfare cuts now rosesarered how will the low paid live for the next four & half years , not forgetting the £11 could be hot air

By cutting their coat according to their cloth, I suppose, like many of us do.

You mean less food and don't pay the rent for four years

He does scrub up rather nicely in his blue suit, pale blue shirt and red tie! Think he might even have had his beard trimmed. Hope Her Madge impressed!!!

Not...... A red tie?

Cutting your coat according to your cloth isn't always the answer. Fine if you've a habit of overspending or just not taking care but if your basic outgoings are more than your hard-earned income, what then? I talk from experience - back in the 90s when the mortgage rate hit 15% my mortgage was more than my monthly pay cheque. Raising two kids alone, trying to juggle work with parental responsibilities - no tax credits or extra help in those days - every day was a struggle. Do you buy food, pay a bill or the motgage or shoes for a growing child? Some days I juggled bus fare for school or bus fare for work? It's not always a case of pull your socks up and do better.

I was a woeking single parent in the 90s and besides child allowance, received Family Income Suppor which topped up the earnings of those on a low-ish wage.

I had to beg my mortgage company to let me pay interest only while the rate was so high, but we did manage, nobody starved...

'working', not woeking!

I was widowed with two little ones in the seventies, ,widowed mothers allowance and family allowance ,that was it . If I worked I paid tax as a single person and the widows allowance was counted as earnings . Creeping out at night to read the electric meter to see how much I had spent that day, I was lucky to be given work in the convent - a boarding school and a house for the nuns . They allowed me to have school holidays off and time off if children were ill. No mortgage but rent had to be paid so like mollie it meant juggling . To add insult to injury , I trotted to the post office every week clutching my pension book, one week ten pounds less, I went to the social security office and was informed the new government had brought in changes - yep Thatcher government, they deducted five pounds for each year I was widowed under the age of thirty five, I was widowed when thirty three so ten pounds deducted , ten pounds was such a lot in the early eighties , I still remember weeping into the night . I did tell them if my husband had foreseen this he would have stayed alive for a further two years.

I feel so sorry for the millions who will receive letters before Christmas telling them how much income they will lose

Cutting your coat is good if you have the cloth to cut , God help you if you haven't

Things may well have been difficult for some ( myself included) in the past, but we all made it didn't we? Nobody starved.If you are on the most basic wage, then there may be help with rent subsidies, childrens allowance and other things.My answer of ' cutting your coat according to your cloth' still holds good, and is not an insult or intended to be, just sensible advice.
I would have preferred to see the tax credits extended by a sort of sliding scale until the firms are paying higher wages, but doesn't look as if that will happen.Quite a few people will be better off but certainly others will not.

We're doing it again! We're debating how the poor ought to behave better and not be a burden but what about the other half of my earlier point? The bit about those already well-heeled Lords and Ladies who get a daily allowance just for turning up - just for signing in, not for doing anything constructive - of more than many workers at the other end of the scale earn in a week. Shouldn't we be more inclined towards asking those people who are mostly at the end of their (probably lucrative) careers to do something for the greater good and claim a little bit (or a lot) less?

So children worked in the pits at one time, if they did it our grandchildren can do it ? Saying how hard it was in times past but we survived is quite brutal in my opinion , do we want the same for our children and grandchildren? I do not. If a person is hungry telling them to drink a couple of glasses of water to ease their immediate hunger could be shrugged off as good advice

MPs have had a bigger pay rise than people on the minimum wage earn. That's why it's criminal to cut benefits.
When did the word welfare come in? It's an American idea. We have benefits.

I am listening to the debate at the moment. Hollinrake, Tory MP in Yorkshire has just said that the IMF report does not take into account the fact that people can work for longer hours. He must be a friend of Jeremy Hunt.

Nobody starved? People are starving now. Why do you think there are so many food banks? What about the man who starved aftr he had his benefits cut?
If I'd voted for that I would be ashamed.
I keep saying it, I know, but do we not want life to be better for all now than it was when we were bringing up our kids?

Just been reading an article about development goals, which 70 countries signed up to, including this one. There are 17 clauses, but Cameron only wanted to have 12 or even better, 10.
The first one is end global poverty in whatever form.

I prefer this one, End global wealth.

www.humanosphere.org/basics/2015/10/comic-2013-skewers-sdgs-existed/

It does make you feel sorry for the rich.

thatbags the dictionary definition of "adolescent" is immature- if you didn't use the word to mean this please can you explain exactly what you did mean. Personally I find it difficult to imagine that this description of anyone's views can be anything but an attempt to belittle them, but I am open to another explanation.

Since it is not me personally bringing in cuts in tax credits ( ! ) I suggest a little less dramatics in the posts.Anniebach asked how these people who will now get less will manage, and my answer ( since they have no choice) is that they will have to be very careful with money.What are others suggesting they do then?Being kind and compassionate in your answers on this forum do zilch for these people.

trisher, I used adolescent in its dictionary meaning of immature. I think you have misunderstood what I was saying that I thought was immature.

I do not think left wing views are necessarily immature, though they can be, as can right wing views.

What I said and what I meant is that I think the apparent attitude of some posters on here towards people they judge not to be left wing are immature.

rosesarered, I suggest you are confusing compassion with dramatics .

When we hear of more people taking their own lives - as always happens in times of much poverty - I will express my sorrow not drama.

Actually, trisher, I apologise. I do seem to have said (aeons ago in thread terms) that simplistic left wing views are adolescent. I do think that. I also think simplistic right wing views, well all simplistic views, are adolescent/immature.

And I think the apparent attitude of some people towards those whom they judge to be not left wing are adolescent/immature.

I hope that is clear now.

But it isn't about being left wing or right wing; it's about highlighting some of the things that are happening to a lot of members of society. There's no harm, surely, in giving people information that they may not know about. I'm grateful for it as I'm pretty out of touch politically these days.