Is this behaviour appropriate.

I agree. I didnt really know that Allira was banned ….. that’s how observant I am 😂

I didn’t know it had popped up inappropriately like this, am a bit confused as to what has actually happened and why with regard to this member, am relatively new to this site, but am aware it was discussed appropriately on a thread about disappearing members.
But yes it is out of order to bring this up all over the place, especially on serious threads which should focus on the topic in hand.

Posting on unrelated threads was discussed as a tactic on the disappearing members thread and then implemented by some of Allira’s supporters from that thread. I fail to see how this will help their cause - in fact, maybe the opposite.

I'm relatively new too,I don't post a lot but I do read things that interest me,there is a definite clique on the site ,reminds me of the mums at the school gates,if you don't fit you're not in and yes I noticed the comments on the Henry Nowak thread and agree they're not necessary and should remain on the appropriate page

Flippin2

I'm relatively new too,I don't post a lot but I do read things that interest me,there is a definite clique on the site ,reminds me of the mums at the school gates,if you don't fit you're not in and yes I noticed the comments on the Henry Nowak thread and agree they're not necessary and should remain on the appropriate page

I too think this site is very cliquey. I read but almost never post, it seems to me that if you don't agree with the frequent posters views you get shot down. I can't call many threads discussions they are just statements of views and heaven help you if you are brave enough to disagree.

Its actually GNHQ guidance not to allude to one thread on another - for obvious reasons, if you have a thread on such and such then you get loads o interruption its not possible to carry on with the O/P

Except of course briefly to point the way to a pre-existing thread on the topic.

to newbies: well in New and Politics one does get to know people who are broadly in agreement on a way of approaching a number of subject, but to keep it understandable?

News and politics. not "new"

I would like to say something that is not going to be popular, but I think it needs saying, even though I expect to be shouted down.

I have said before, and will say again that I feel uncomfortable about threads being chattered over by a group of people with an agenda. I may (or may not) agree with that agenda, but that’s not the point.

The board is for all of us, and people come to threads at different times of day and night, so because you (generic) think all that needs to be said has been said does not mean that everyone else has had her say. It’s harder to join in a thread about, say, a politician if people are all talking about kittens, so the thread has, effectively, been controlled.

I am in favour of Allira’s reinstatement, but am aware of the fact that one of the charges against her (so one of the things that could get any of us banned) is controlling threads, and IMO people repeatedly talking amongst themselves is doing just that. Not the ‘eggs’ chat on the relevant thread (although that thread is quite exclusionary too, it is easily avoided) but the casual references on all sorts of other threads, and the thinly veiled comments about how ‘some people’ won’t like it. That is vaguely threatening- it’s clear that if you don’t like it you are not ‘one of us’, and will probably find your posts being ignored at one extreme or criticised at the other. Not everyone is happy to stand up to that.

Many people are still unaware of the issues surrounding the current situation. I have now been told of the suspicions thanks to a PM, but not everyone has been. Being unable to join in makes people feel excluded- well, they are being excluded.

Much of this has happened because HQ were high-handed in the way they dealt with the case, and the fact that they haven’t been open about their decision since. To be fair though, what they have said has led to accusations of character assassination, so they are in something of a cleft stick.

Anyway, I’ve said my piece, and will leave it at that. I am not looking for enemies, but feel a bit uneasy about posting this as I know from experience how it can feel to have an opinion that is contrary to the zeitgeist.

In my mind I see a bunch of very stern head girls - who made them head girls no-one knows - with a flurry of prefects handing out detentions for not wearing your beret outside school grounds or posting what/where they deem inappropriate.

Up to you whether you choose to turn up & accept the 100 lines or carry on regardless.

I assume that is why someone commented on the thread about the wedding of a member of the Royal family that Allira wore a similar veil to the bride.
I was unaware of the significance until now.

Is it "cliquey' or just a bunch of posters who have been here a long time and have got to know each other over the years? The same sort of thing happens if one moves to a new area or joins a club.

Would you expect people to pretend they didn't 'know' each other?

I don't think it's cliquey because the so called clique isn't programmed to all think in the same manner.
My feeling is thst I might mention Allira is something crops up she enjoyed, like say wine. She's reading GN, so why not include her for a while?
You needn't worry about me though, I no longer post on Poltics in any shape or form. (I have no idea about the thread in question, how did Allira get mentioned?)

Absolutely agree with the OP. I do not know anything about Allira so have no view on what has happened. To be honest I find some of the comments on that thread unhinged and the whole thing gives a very poor impression of this site.

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kittylester

Is it "cliquey' or just a bunch of posters who have been here a long time and have got to know each other over the years? The same sort of thing happens if one moves to a new area or joins a club.

Would you expect people to pretend they didn't 'know' each other?

No, of course not, and I do understand the strength of feeling, but it isn’t inclusive or welcoming when some know the ‘code’ and others don’t.

I want Allira to come back too, and whilst I don’t know how to achieve that, I don’t think that spamming threads with references to her is the way to go about it. The ‘disappearing posters’ thread where she can see the support is different - one thread can be skipped over by those not ‘in the know’ - but it doesn’t have to spread across numerous others, IMO.

If we look back to Annie’s comments, they say that GN is for everyone, talk about ‘controlling threads’ and ‘goading’. Isn’t that exactly what is happening? The mods are being goaded, threads are being controlled and people excluded across a number of threads.

Sorry, but there has to be a better way to get Allira back, I think.

Cliques unfailing present a dichotomy. A clique is a group that's unwelcoming to those outside it, the clique itself may not intend to be unwelcoming and often doesn't recognise that it is. I can see why people perceive there is a clique (or cliques) on here, even though those who are part of that clique don't consider themselves to be in one.

I have supported Allira in that l messaged GNHQ and they did respond, but l don't agree with disrupting the forum in trying to get her reinstated. Where does that stop? Throwing paint at our screens?

I agree with your take flipping heck, that the Allira support thread swings without hinges in places. GSM & Allira seem to have taken on Messiah like qualities, it's quite amusing.

*Flippingheck as in username

I really don’t want to throw a spanner in the works but agree with other posters who feel sidelined due to long term posters who obviously have developed friendships over the years only responding to each other’s posts whilst excluding the comments of those not in their friendship group.
Is hard to keep posting sometimes when comments are repeatedly ignored.
Some posters are really kind and try to be encouraging, but I have drawn back a bit to just spectate or not go on the site for a while, mainly because I am busy caring for my DH but also because sometimes I do wonder why bother?
I imagine quite a few posters who are new or don’t post often have ‘disappeared’ of their own violition.

I agree absolutely with Kittylester, some of us have been on the site a long time and over the years have on occasions established friendships with other members. If, a new or a fairly new poster it would be understandable the dynamics of GN various rapports and relationships would be unkown as there is a history and a context to them. Surely the same in real life.

I just think that more posters will find themselves in trouble if they bring their 'cause' onto other threads. I don't want that to happen and I don't think it will help Allira at all. May even jeopardise any chance she may have of coming back.

TerriBull

I agree absolutely with Kittylester, some of us have been on the site a long time and over the years have on occasions established friendships with other members. If, a new or a fairly new poster it would be understandable the dynamics of GN various rapports and relationships would be unkown as there is a history and a context to them. Surely the same in real life.

Of what relevance is this to believing anyone has the right to attempt to spoil threads for others and in one case at least be so disrespectful?

We definitely still need a like button. Doodledog’s 00.07 post deserves many.

I'm not suggesting it has, I hadn't seen the comments on other threads.

AGAA4

I just think that more posters will find themselves in trouble if they bring their 'cause' onto other threads. I don't want that to happen and I don't think it will help Allira at all. May even jeopardise any chance she may have of coming back.

That's why I was asking for clarification on the thread in question? So as not to add any further offence. I did not see the comment. I am hundreds of miles away in France for a while and not following Politics.