Underachievement of white boys

I think that many people from other cultures are extra keen for their children to get a good education and go into professional jobs, and we have some great doctors, solicitors, opticians, hearing testing, and so on. Just from experience of who I see in daily life and generally. The big primary school near our mosque its rated excellent and mostly all smartly turned out and discipline better than average

But I don't think that this stops white boys from achieving - I agree with Growstuff its something endemic amongst white born citizens. The recent exam results also showed England behind Scotland, NI, and Wales.

What I think it does do is engender envy, and put non white pupils at risk. We need to attend to this "falling behind" - more apprenticeships, curriculum thought through better, and so on, but the reality is that bad behaviour in secondary schools is very endemic and very hard to address.

We have to keep white working class boys down as they’re the only ones who join the army and risk their lives protecting their country.

While I agree it is nothing to do directly with other cultures, the issues as I see it is all other groups in a similar situation get targeted support.

Plenty of encouragement for girls to do jobs typically seen as men's work. Also encouragement for girls to do sport we have just had the women's Euro now the Rugby World Cup.

Same with the BAME communities, Black History month (from what I've seen mostly lies and half truths) so they can fell good about their history. Search "black scholarship" to see how many racially biased scholarships there are often at top ranking Universities against the one (Bradford Univ) for white working class boys.

So what are white boys offered. Being told from an early age their masculinity is Toxic, their history is exploitive. They have white privilege their wealth was stollen ...

All their teachers are probably women, who see them as a problem to be managed while the girls in the class are taught.

Kandinsky

We have to keep white working class boys down as they’re the only ones who join the army and risk their lives protecting their country.

Sigh! It would be discuss the topic properly.

So what are white boys offered. Being told from an early age their masculinity is Toxic, their history is exploitive. They have white privilege their wealth was stollen

That’s about it yes.

JohnnyMo

While I agree it is nothing to do directly with other cultures, the issues as I see it is all other groups in a similar situation get targeted support.

Plenty of encouragement for girls to do jobs typically seen as men's work. Also encouragement for girls to do sport we have just had the women's Euro now the Rugby World Cup.

Same with the BAME communities, Black History month (from what I've seen mostly lies and half truths) so they can fell good about their history. Search "black scholarship" to see how many racially biased scholarships there are often at top ranking Universities against the one (Bradford Univ) for white working class boys.

So what are white boys offered. Being told from an early age their masculinity is Toxic, their history is exploitive. They have white privilege their wealth was stollen ...

All their teachers are probably women, who see them as a problem to be managed while the girls in the class are taught.

Teachers in primary school are probably mainly female, but not in secondary school.

I never ever in my whole career told any boy that his masculinity was toxic or mentioned white privilege. BAME and female students weren't given any privileges either.

What is this nonsense about sport? Males are encouraged to do sport.

These are government statistics:

11.2% Ethnic minorities (excluding white minorities) representation in the UK Regular Forces
as at 1 April 2024

15.3% Of total intake into the combined UK Regular Forces and the Future Reserves 2020 were ethnic minorities (excluding white minorities)
in the 12 months to 31 March 2024

I think this is roughly in line with demographics.
Where is your evidence from, Kandinsky please?

To be fair, the media is full of BAME people telling its viewer about white privilege.

We have now got the likes of the Tates and others on social media telling boys to man up and take charge, which then leads on to endless programmes and documentary about male toxicity.

It is hard for a young white boy in the 21st century.

Some thrive with a cushion of a supportive family, a safe place to do school work and a healthy attitude. Many haven’t got these things that most of us would take for granted.

Basically some of these lads slip through various nets feel that nobody cares about them, there is nothing out in the big wide world for them unless they are an influencer, sports person or similar, education is not a priority.

Underprivileged families are the most likely to be single, parent, usually the mother (85%), with no male role model, 80% are white British.
Starter for ten.

15.3% Of total intake into the combined UK Regular Forces and the Future Reserves 2020 were ethnic minorities (excluding white minorities

So 85% white.

And you’re asking me for evidence?

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𝙏𝙚𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙢𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙤𝙤𝙡 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙗𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙡𝙮 𝙛𝙚𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙚, 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙞𝙣 𝙨𝙚𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙙𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙤𝙤𝙡.

In 2023/24, approximately 64% of full-time equivalent (FTE) teachers in UK secondary schools were female

Kandinsky

*15.3% Of total intake into the combined UK Regular Forces and the Future Reserves 2020 were ethnic minorities (excluding white minorities*

So 85% white.

And you’re asking me for evidence?

Yes. I am.
15% and 85% is in line with UK demographics.

growstuff

What is this nonsense about sport? Males are encouraged to do sport.

Totally bizarre, Growstuff. it's great to see women of all cultures engaging in sport.

Goodness me, isn't that what everyone's been saying about girls from more traditional cultures, that we should encourage them, not pour cold water on it?

Thinking of that great film, "Bend it like Beckham".

schoolsweek.co.uk/we-need-to-advocate-for-poor-white-boys-or-others-will/

Generally, if girls and women are now doing better and have more chances, what kind of mean male (or female) wants to stop it? What have some against strong women?

(goes away muttering in disbelief)

JohnnyMo

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𝙏𝙚𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙢𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙤𝙤𝙡 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙗𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙡𝙮 𝙛𝙚𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙚, 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙞𝙣 𝙨𝙚𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙙𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙤𝙤𝙡.

In 2023/24, approximately 64% of full-time equivalent (FTE) teachers in UK secondary schools were female

Interesting. Thank you! That wasn't my experience in the schools where I taught.

It isn't really that girls are doing better. White working class girls don't do much better than the boys. The issue is that white children from low income families (boys and girls) underachieve as a group.

GrannyGravy13

To be fair, the media is full of BAME people telling its viewer about white privilege.

We have now got the likes of the Tates and others on social media telling boys to man up and take charge, which then leads on to endless programmes and documentary about male toxicity.

It is hard for a young white boy in the 21st century.

Some thrive with a cushion of a supportive family, a safe place to do school work and a healthy attitude. Many haven’t got these things that most of us would take for granted.

Basically some of these lads slip through various nets feel that nobody cares about them, there is nothing out in the big wide world for them unless they are an influencer, sports person or similar, education is not a priority.

Do you think Tate is the solution?

The issue is more to do with class/low income than a gender issue. Girls do only slighly better than boys.

15% and 85% is in line with UK demographics.

If there were a higher percentage of 'ethnic minorities' we'd have the xenophobes and the conspiracy theorists screaming about our white British military culture being erased and producing an army of 'ethnics' who could turn on us at any moment...

You can't win, really 🙁

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𝗜 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗸 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗰𝘂𝗹𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝘁𝗿𝗮 𝗸𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗱𝗿𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗮 𝗴𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗴𝗼 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗷𝗼𝗯𝘀,”

Some but not all immigrant communities. Those communities who don't have a personal improvement ethos get targeted encouragement

education is not a priority says someone up above - and I think that comes from the home, at least in part.

If you had a rough time at school and were labelled a "bad" boy or "thick" or whatever and received, in addition no encouragement from your home it must be really hard to see the point of struggling on.
Schoolteaching has changed and teachers try not to label youngsters as they used to but families are not all working with schools to improve their child's development.

People coming here from Asia tend to see education as a key to a better future.
Maybe we, (White British) don't always see this?

Can I just clarify, is this discussion about white boys generally, or about white boys from low income households? It is only the latter group that are deemed to under- achieve as I understand it?