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Inequality at Wimbledon

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Jayh Sat 15-Jul-17 16:51:31

We have Wimbledon champions! Gordon Reid and Alfie Hewitt have just won the wheelchair finals. Gordon has expressed a wish that they could one day play on centre court and so they should. The game was scheduled at the same time as the women's final so spectators had to choose which game to watch.
Discrimination is rife at Wimbledon and who challenges it?
We also have two British players in the mixed doubles final. Who knew?
Grrr!

Luckygirl Sat 15-Jul-17 17:17:05

I don't see it as discrimination - there are practical issues: size of audience seating relative to the likely size of audience, effect of wheels on the grass courts (already suffering) etc.

I worked with people with disabilities all my life and there were a handful who sought out discrimination like terriers; everyone else recognised practical issues and were slow to take offence. I do not mean they caved in where they should have fought their corner, but simply that they let common sense rule.

Jayh Sat 15-Jul-17 17:54:50

I wasn't thinking of people with disabilities especially. Just that the men's singles gets such a lot of publicity and the doubles matches not so much.

Anniebach Sat 15-Jul-17 18:33:48

It has always been so, the two matches which draw the crowds are the men and women's singles finals . Murry and Hinges matches have been televised

Luckygirl Sat 15-Jul-17 18:39:11

I guess the organisers have to maximise ticket sales in order to keep the prize money high, so the centre and court one have to be the matches that will bring in the biggest crowds. The prize money is unbelievable: £2.2 million for the winners. And you get £35,000 for losing in the first round - much much more than we live on each year. I am prepared to limp about on court for £35K! grin

Ana Sat 15-Jul-17 18:44:32

Do the men still get paid more than the women?

Rigby46 Sat 15-Jul-17 18:45:54

No - which I think is unfair as the men play more sets [blush{

Rigby46 Sat 15-Jul-17 18:46:19

Blast blush

Luckygirl Sat 15-Jul-17 19:01:43

Yes I confess I find it hard to understand why the ladies win the same money but are asked to do less. I wait for the feminist brickbats!

Rigby46 Sat 15-Jul-17 19:10:18

Well you can't get more feminist than me but I bekieve in equal pay for equal work
grin

jusnoneed Sun 16-Jul-17 08:56:16

It was interesting to hear Martina Navratilova (if I remember correctly) saying this week that the ladies games should go to five sets after a certain round. As she said, they are so much fitter these days and can play as long as the chaps.
Andy Murray said he understood how difficult it is to choose who plays on the two main courts, said he would be happy to play on others if it gave a chance to someone else. Would be good for people who couldn't get/afford centre court tickets to get a chance to watch the big names too.
I have enjoyed watching the mixed doubles, the Heather Watson & Henri Kontinon games have been great fun. Hope they retain their title this afternoon.

I do think they are asking them to play far too much now though, ranking/points etc having to be won at every opportunity. Think it's causing too many injuries and not enough time to heal. Think how the football players moan having to play for 3 hours a week!

MawBroon Sun 16-Jul-17 09:10:58

I don't think I could take the tedium of five sets of women's pat-a-cake shock
Apart from the Sherman tank that is Serena Williams,(as was Martina in her day) IMHO the women do not play to the standard of the men and the play is far less exciting.

Luckygirl Sun 16-Jul-17 09:23:28

I always thought that until this year - but there has been some good play from the ladies this time.

Rigby46 Sun 16-Jul-17 09:32:57

Why not 3 sets for both?

Luckygirl Sun 16-Jul-17 09:35:56

It is a concern that so many of the men players had to drop out with injuries - something like 9 or 10 of them. I presume it is hard for them to miss tournaments as it influences their ranking and then the tournaments they can be admitted to. But with such huge prize money I would be tempted to call it a day fairly speedily, having earned enough for the rest of your life.

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 09:37:55

Top seeds play on the outer courts , men play three sets only , sounds perfect - not

paddyann Sun 16-Jul-17 09:50:34

as with most athletes (not footballers) its not ABOUT money ,actually for most people in any walk of life if they do a job they love they aren't doing it for the cash.Loads of actors for instance do TV or fils to make a decent living but love going back to theatre and its not massive wages there

Rigby46 Sun 16-Jul-17 09:52:20

Actually I can't stand sport, any sport, at all - not quite sure how I ended up on this thread. blush. Oh yes, I answered Ana's question. Oh well, I'll go now

radicalnan Sun 16-Jul-17 10:38:00

I think one set of tennis is ample and football matches should end at half time or when someone does something to merit any sort of penalty.......cricket is for the radio but only when listening outside and accompanied by a picnic.......don't get me started on the Olympics.........boring!!!!

Now motorbike racing is heavenly but I have to be there for the smell of the fuel.....and the riders.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

jusnoneed Sun 16-Jul-17 11:50:34

Lol radicalnan, the bikes are watched here too. Although they are getting a bit predictable at the moment, WSB especially. Love the BSB.

I think the top tennis ladies could make a longer match entertaining, that's probably why bringing five sets in from quarter finals onward would be good.
They do need to stop all the screeching that goes on, and also stop the "net" calls on serve. And also sort this time before serve thing, put a clock out there to make it clear and stop the umpire interruption during serves.

devongirl Sun 16-Jul-17 12:01:25

I agree about the noise jus, watched Sharapova play at Wimbledon and the noise was horrendous, it must have been incredibly distracting for her opponent (not to mention annoying for the audience!), I really don't know why it's allowed.

jevive73 Sun 16-Jul-17 12:34:12

why in the oscars and baftas etc is the male actor top of the bill?

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 13:01:12

Why are married couples addressed as Mr & Mrs . Just always been so

Ana Sun 16-Jul-17 13:17:36

Thre again, it's always 'Ladies and Gentlemen'...

eddiecat78 Sun 16-Jul-17 13:27:50

There was a piece of Womans Hour this week about whether we still need titles - eg Mr, Mrs and Miss - particularly when signing up for things on the internet. Following this I did think it was unnecessary at Wimbledon for the umpire to be calling women players either Mrs or Miss - obviously it is not important to know whether women are married or single. I think it is time all players were just known by their surname