David Tennant.

Trans hating climate?
Do you mean females hating that transwomen (male) are allowed to cheat in female sport, and lie their way into female safe spaces?

Or do you mean the minority of trans hating that they are being denied the right to cheat in female competitions or disrespect females.
There always those who conflate hating the actions of that small minority of TW who go out of their way to oppose female rights, with hating all trans.
Those who support female opposition to males cheating and inveigling themselves into female self spaces, that the two are not the same thing.
Those who think they are the same thing, support neither females, nor the majority of trans who wish no harm to females.

Best to say nothing, rather than provoking further controversy.

I expect he is just fed up with the current furore about trans people. I am too.

Famous people who don't express opinions regarding current matters often do not because they don't want to alienate any of their fans. I think it is quite brave to speak out, especially in the current trans-hating climate, though I think Tennant's choice of words have left him open to criticism, which is a shame.

VioletSky

Anyway

Now this thread has reduced in the number of partocipants, I will leave this one too because you are making yourselves look bad trying to get at me and while some people might enjoy that, I just find it sad

I expect you've left the thread now but just to say that no-one is trying to get at you. Posters are just arguing for their point of view, which may differ from yours and/or refuting your interpretation of their posts which makes the meaning different from their intent.

Guilt by association happens everywhere, whether it's right or not.

A teacher needs to remain professional.

But VS, that’s exactly what you’re doing. Trying to make others look bad, and while I have no idea if you enjoy that . . .
Teachers have to be careful what they are seen to be doing. He worried that attending venues where the police are involved, people might think he was involved too.
You have cast enough aspersions in your time to know how easily that is done.
Enjoy your flounce.

Oh dear, not again .....

Just different views, that's all.

And some confusion, expressed by several posters, about the content of some of your posts.

People are judged by the company they keep.

Anyway

Now this thread has reduced in the number of partocipants, I will leave this one too because you are making yourselves look bad trying to get at me and while some people might enjoy that, I just find it sad

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VioletSky

I'm defending him...

🤔

You said that anyone doing so would be a judgemental bigot VS. So does that mean that anyone who criticises the outlandish behaviour exhibited by some at Pride events, regardless of their sexual preferences is a judgemental bigot?

Is Molly's friend a judgemental bigot because he doesn't want to be seen in the same light?

Not everyone attending Pride would know him so how could they change their perception of him?

I'm defending him...

Mollygo

Galaxy,
I taught with my longest known gay friend and we went to his wedding several years ago.
Popular with staff, parents and children alike, he stopped going to our local Pride in the last few years, because he said that there was often behaviour that reflected badly on gays and it might affect people’s perception of him if he was seen there.

He said this, he doesn't want people's perception of him to change because of others behaviour...

Anyone who would change their perception of him because of others behaviour just because he is gay too or at the same event, isn't a good person

Well said, Smileless

Pride is for people like your friend Molly and the fact that he and he wont be the only one, doesn't feel comfortable going because of the behaviour of some who attend, really should be a red flag to the organisers.

Those who aren't happy are not judgemental bigots VS. That's the problem isn't it. Unacceptable behaviour is simply that, but if anyone who calls it out is going to be judged as a bigot because those being criticised are gay, bi or trans etc then even those who are too, are going to be silenced when they shouldn't be.

Pride needs to reclaim the reason it was established in the first place and not allow those bringing it into disrepute to continue to do so.

Well, that's not what Mollygo's friend said, is it.

He obviously thought that some at the Pride marches reflected badly on the majority of ordinary gay people living ordinary lives and were not representative of folk like him.

Just as some extremists on protest marches do not reflect the views of the majority who might agree.

Their overt over-sexualised antics do not in fact reflect the majority and that is why those marches are no place for a child either.

Mollygo

No VS.
It’s very sad that the behaviour of some people at Pride events reflect badly on the people who want to celebrate being gay or Lesbian.

No MG

The people who would judge all gay people by the actions of a few are what have hurt the person in your scenario

If everyone didn't go because they were worried about judgemental bigots who cannot differentiate then Pride would be lost completely

Mollygo

VS, re conversations based on things that haven’t happened, it’s funny, because you do it.

I don't know what this really

But it's not achieving anything

VS, re conversations based on things that haven’t happened, it’s funny, because you do it.

No VS.
It’s very sad that the behaviour of some people at Pride events reflect badly on the people who want to celebrate being gay or Lesbian.

Mollygo

Galaxy,
I taught with my longest known gay friend and we went to his wedding several years ago.
Popular with staff, parents and children alike, he stopped going to our local Pride in the last few years, because he said that there was often behaviour that reflected badly on gays and it might affect people’s perception of him if he was seen there.

It's very sad that he has to protect himself from people who would look for reasons to look down on him as an individual

Mollygo

VS
shouldn't

I don't know if you have misread it misunderstood Mollygo but I can't have a conversation based on things that haven't happened.
🤣🤣🤣

Seriously

Are you ok? I'm worried

Galaxy,
I taught with my longest known gay friend and we went to his wedding several years ago.
Popular with staff, parents and children alike, he stopped going to our local Pride in the last few years, because he said that there was often behaviour that reflected badly on gays and it might affect people’s perception of him if he was seen there.

Galaxy

Many of the gay people I know are raising concerns about some aspects of pride, ( the commercialisation, etc etc) you do know that discussing pride is nothing to do with accepting gay people. I spent most of my twenties having flings with women, I have never been to pride in my life. Gay and bisexual people hold a range of views on everything including pride. I have just read a very funny tweet from a lesbian explaining that she was being told off for not celebrating Pride by a straight woman, she felt that summed up much of the current situation.

Good post Galaxy!

Gay and bisexual people hold a range of views on everything including pride

... in particular.

Two lesbian friends of mine did not intend to go because they no longer felt represented by the official Pride.

... but as a straight woman, I didn't reprimand them on their decision.