Anne Robinson and the law on abortion

If you don’t accept abortion after 24 weeks you are saying that you accept the death of the mother or the birth of a baby that has a condition incompatible with life outside the womb - do you really want that?

But it’s very rare after 24 weeks and for very very sad reasons and the vast majority of babies born before 25 weeks do have long term problems if they survive

I come at this from a different angle. My son was born naturally and very unexpectedly at 25 weeks. He is now 33 years old and thankfully has suffered no long term problems. I am not anti abortion but do have a problem accepting it as late as 24 weeks.

Abortions will always be with us . As will unplanned pregnancies.
I think a number of GNres have discussed this some time ago on another thread.

Have any of you seen "Long lost families" and those now elderly woman who had to give their babies away as parents refused to allow the mother to keep the baby or such.
Some illegitimate children were possibly registered as the mother's child, instead of the daughter of the family. Or the child grew up not knowing that their supposed mother was their grandmother. caused a lot of difficult family and lies. (Eastenders had that one. )
There were lots of illegal abortions at those times which went wrong. Be thankful for what we have now.
We are people and people are fallible.

but I think some women use abortion as a means of birth control

Well duh.

100% of women who have an abortion are using it as birth control.

They don't want to proceed with the pregnancy and give birth so they have an abortion.

Which is their right.

People have been charged with child destruction, in those circumstances. This particular charmer was sentenced to life imprisonment.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/11/man-jailed-for-life-for-killing-unborn-son-in-attack-on-ex-girlfriend

In that case maddy629 if a man kicks his pregnant girlfriend and she miscarries should he be tried for murder?

I really feel for you, your daughter and family Sparklefizz. To Serekeen and Maddy, you're very judgemental and everybody's circumstances are different.

Abortion is murder, I'm sorry if anyone here does not agree but I think some women use abortion as a means of birth control. If you don't babies don't have unprotected sex, simple.

Nobody is talking about killing babies.
A parasitic fetus is not a baby.
A clump of cells is not a baby.

It's has no rights. And it has no life

The individual woman who is a living, breathing and functioning being however has all the rights to do whatever she pleases to do with her own body. Especially when those actions do not affect anyone else.

People will obtain abortions whether they're legal or not. That's the dilemma, really.

I've had a miscarriage in the first 12wks and quite honestly, I didn't see anything resembling a lost life form, it was simply an unpleasant mess.

at the time of termination its NOT a viable life serkeen ,Your attitude astounds me.If I'd thought otherwise I would never have got over the multipe miscarriages I had and I'm quite sure thats why MOST abortions are carried out within the first few weeks .Late abortions are only carried out in the most extreme circumstances where NECESSARY

People are imperfect. They do ridiculously stupid things which they ought not to. They smoke, drink, and have unprotected sex, despite knowing the consequences. Its unpleasant, but that's how it is, and probably how it will always be. There isn't any need for those who dont agree with abortion to ever have one.
That's all an objector can do.

also you say for making a mistake so just because you made a mistake the result should be that an in born baby should loose their lives HEAVY price to pay for that in born child

I am actually going to opt out of this conversation now because what some people are posting is annoying me to the max simply because some posts DO NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AT ALL THE FEELINGS OR POSSIBLE WISHES OF THE UNBORN CHILD JUST BECAUSE THEY UNFORTUNATLEY FOR THEM HAVE NO VOICE!!

MARY Really!! you think its ok to kill a baby because you had a one night stand!!!!!

DONT HAVE ONE NIGHT STAND if you can not deal with the consequences

It is NOT OK to kill a baby

IF THE UNBORN BABY COULD TALK AND HAD SOME KIND OF POWER HE SHE WOULD OPT FOR LIFE

True or Not

nor can I Anya but I realise theres a need for it and accept that it is not MY choice that counts.We should feel lucky to never have had circumstances where we HAD to make the choice

I can’t imagine any circumstances when I was of child-bearing age when I’d ever have even contemplated having an abortion, but I totally accept every woman has the right to choose for herself.

Serkeen women have a reason to abort their foetus not an excuse. Doctors are not ‘happy’ to perform abortions - what a ridiculous comment. We live in an imperfect world with imlerfect people - thank goodness that in this country we have the humanity to not punish women for being raped, for growing a dreadfully disabled foetus, for not being capable of carrying a pregnancy to term without risking her own life, for making a mistake, for being stupid , for being in a relationship with a man who couldn’t care less about her, for having a one night stand, for being drunk, for being overcome by lust: what a dreadful dreadful world yours would be - devoid of love, compassion, humanity - and still there would be abortions with those who could afford it having “procedures”and the poor dying, being disabled or having children they neither want nor can afford. You would be ‘happy’ to have this world? Or have you a magic formula to make us all perfect?

it is barbaric and I find it extremely difficult to comprehend that a doctor that has studied for up to 8 years to save lives is quite happy to perform an abortion = to take a life

paddy planned or not there is never ever an excuse to kill an um born child

When I decided my family was complete I discussed sterilization with my husband as being the only near foolproof method of ensuring there would be no further pregnancies. I had it done asap after my last baby; keyhole surgery and one night in hospital. I don't want to put anybody on the spot, but I just wonder why many more older women (many of whom have multiple abortions) don't choose this method.

My mother's first baby died within half an hour of Birth. Her second baby was born alive and well within the year and a few months later she was pregnant again. Her doctor offered a quick abortion as he believed that 3 pregnancies within 3 years was too much for her, My DM was horrified at the idea, carried on with the pregnancy - and here I am.

With this in mind, I thought that I would never have an abortion myself, although I was fully supportive of a 'woman's right to choose' - Until - when I was in my early 40's, working full + part-time to support both DDs who were at University, my Doctor decided that I had been on the contraceptive pill for too long and must stop immediately. She suggested either traditional contraceptives or perhaps sterilisation!

This gave me pause for thought, especially as it took a couple of months for my periods to resume after coming off the pill. I had to revisit my previous stance and found that priorities had changed, that a pregnancy at my age and with my family responsibilities, would be a disaster.

Thankfully, I never had to make that decision for real (we were very careful) but my mind was firmly made up that if necessary, my choice would have been an abortion, as soon as possible and with no-one told about it other than my DH.

I know a woman who get pregnant after an affair ,her husband said he was "preparedto forgive her if she gave the baby for adoption" even though she told him about the pregnancy at a very early stage,he didn't want her to have a termination.She carried to full term,visited the baby in the nursery until it was adopted and went back to her husband.He walked out six weeks later.He was just punishing her by making her go through with the pregnancy and birth and adoption.I dont think a man has the right to lay down the law over abortion...in any case

anniebach What did you think about his idea that a panel of "judges" - taking into account both the woman's and the man's wishes and views - should decide whether the woman should either be forced to continue with the pregnancy or forced to end it?

suedonin: In my post I was referring to so many unwanted pregnancies when contraception is freely available. I know it fails sometimes but the number of times it fails must be far smaller than the number of abortions of unwanted babies, unborn babies that are perfectly healthy as opposed to babies with serious defects that parents take agonising decisions to abort. I did not write about a huge number of teenage pregnancies. I know that the number of teenage pregnancies has dropped.