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Anne Robinson and the law on abortion

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trisher Tue 17-Oct-17 10:06:50

Did anyone watch this? I was surprised to realise abortion is still a criminal act if it isn't performed within the perimeters of the act. And the stories of the women who had non-surgical abortions and miscarried in public places was appalling It's time things were changed to take account of new procedures. Taking the pills in the comfort and safety of home should be permitted.

Lyndie Wed 18-Oct-17 11:06:52

All these things need intervention. Abortion, sex change, IVF. Boob jobs. The list is very long. Just think about life without the medical profession not invented ways of accommodating people's wants and needs. This is where the opinions come in. There wouldn't be a conversation without invention. So have people got the right to demand these things at the expense of everyone else. Should we consider their mental health? I don't know what the answer is but I am inclined to think you can't change people. I don't agree with using abortion as a contraceptive but we all make decisions we feel, guilty or entitled or make a mistake about.

Diddy1 Wed 18-Oct-17 11:06:08

Serkeen I totally agree with you, abortion is NOT ok

Anniebach Wed 18-Oct-17 10:59:55

sticheroo, you see it as enforced surrogency to provide babies for woman who cannot conceive. I see it as giving the babies a right to life .

Anniebach Wed 18-Oct-17 10:57:01

I had severe post natal depression after the birth of our second child, spent some time in hospital. Advised not to have more pregnancies.

Failed contraception resulted in two more pregnancies, I refused abortions, both babies dead at birth. We were devasted and I do wonder now how they would have lived their lives. The grief was hard to bear but we gave them the chance of life.

trisher Wed 18-Oct-17 10:54:23

I wondered about the risk of the non-surgical abortions icanhandthemback but the 2 young women who talked quite graphically about what happened were given the pill and then sent home. Apparently you have to go on 2 consecutive days and are given one pill each day.

stitcheroo Wed 18-Oct-17 10:44:46

damewithaname are you suggesting that women who have unwanted pregnancies should become enforced surrogates to provide babies for couples who can't have children?

Anniebach Wed 18-Oct-17 10:41:02

Yes maryeliza, you share the views of the woman who had three abortions

"I will not have someone tell me I have to play host to something when I don't want to. My body is my body, my womb is my womb, my vagina is my vagina which I have to push that giant f*****g baby out of "

icanhandthemback Wed 18-Oct-17 10:26:11

I had an abortion at 20 weeks due to foetal abnormality; the midwife cocked up so instead of knowing at 12 weeks there was something wrong the results were delayed. If I had taken the tablets home, I would not have been here to tell the tale. I only just made it being in hospital. Abortion can kill, take the tablets in hospital and thank your lucky stars that this country allows it.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Oct-17 10:25:51

Abortion is not available on demand in the U.K. After seeing a GP you have to have a consultation with an independent Doctor. The patient has to go to hospital/clinic in the morning to take medication in front of a medical,practioner, they are then sent away for 8 hours. When they return they are given another dose of the medication, then it's off home to suffer the painful ordeal. No pain killers are provided, so only over the counter generics available.

If you think anyone would go through this without hours of deliberation, if they are lucky they'll have supportive partner/family/parents by their side.

Please fellow grans netters we are better than this, I was brought up,not to judge others unless you have walked in their shoes!!!!

trisher Wed 18-Oct-17 10:17:31

Thankfully the programme didn't get into the debate about abortion. As has been said before women have always had abortions. There was a woman on the programme who had a safe one before the abortion act by paying £90. She knew another woman who died after a back street abortion, as she said the only difference was that she had a cheque book and could afford to pay. This idea that changing the law will make any difference is totally wrong. It will just bring back the risk of women dying.

onneker Wed 18-Oct-17 10:15:35

I believe really strongly that it is the woman's right to choose. As PA says contraception is unreliable and there are many, many reasons why a woman might get pregnant without really wanting to be pregnant or be able to bring a child into a satisfactory environment. I had my own termination when doctors in France where I was living said a pregnancy would affect my health negatively and I would possibly be less able to look after the much loved child I had. Contrary to most people's assertions, I hardly ever think of it. I am happy to be well and to have been able to care for my child as well as possible.

damewithaname Wed 18-Oct-17 10:06:11

No to abortion. Many many couples out there who cannot have have children, there is always the adoption process.

MinniesMum Wed 18-Oct-17 10:01:10

I didn't watch the programme as I knew it would lead to painful memories. After an exploding appendix rendered my right fallopian tube and ovary completely useless and the other one not so good either, I underwent various procedures at the infertility clinic. After one rather painful one, I was lying in bed when the woman in the bed next to me got a visit from the doctor. He pointed out that this was abortion no 8 and isn't it time she stopped this. She giggled and said "I just can't help myself". I sobbed quietly to myself when I heard this.
Surely most women can ask themselves a few questions.
Am I sexually active Yes/No
If Yes, then am I ready to bring a child into the world Yes/No
If No then why on earth can't they get their feckless, irresponsible backsides down to the Family Planning clinic which is FREE.
I did have a much wanted baby in the end - a boozy cruise down the Rhine did the trick, but I will never forget that woman or the anger I felt and still feel.
I do make an exception for rape, incest and non-viable foetuses - that should be what the abortion act is for.

paddyann Wed 18-Oct-17 09:52:12

so SERKEEN would YOU take on the cost ,in time and money to bring up even ONE of these "babies" who were unplanned/unwanted? Far better the pregnancy is terminated at an early stage BEFORE it becomes viable than that there are more children in poverty born ...and before you start on about contraception ..its not always reliable or successful.I know this to be fact as I got pregnant TWICE while using not one but two contraceptives .I was told another baby would kill me so I was religious about my pill and condoms ...sadly I got pregnant .I miscarried both times at 9 weeks ...and I can assure you I wasn't CARELESS at all .r

maryeliza54 Wed 18-Oct-17 07:44:11

I can understand people believing that abortion is wrong but cannot understand why someone would feel they should be able to dictate what someone else does about an unwanted pregnancy. My body, my choice

Anniebach Wed 18-Oct-17 03:40:25

The man didn't want control over a woman's body, he wanted HIS child to live.

three unwanted pregnancies is a good reason to abort? Three unwanted pregnancies seem rather careless , abortion wasn't made legal for this reason.

It is the woman's body but it is a child's life that is ended

Serkeen Wed 18-Oct-17 02:50:19

Lets not mince our words here

I am sorry if this offends anyone as I do not wish to offend however abortion is a very selfish thing to do

I don't want the baby so I want it gone

I truly do not understand in this day and age that people still think abortion is ok It is Not

Put it which ever way you wish but at the end of the day you are stopping life there is a baby growing and you kill that baby, I hate killing insects because you have taken a life so much less should we take the life of an innocent un born child

My goodness British people are so hot on cruelty to animals and forget about cruelty to children YES children albeit unborn children but children none the less

I find it all quite barbaric to kill a baby in a womb because it is not convenient for the mother to have that child sad

I say again what would that unborn child say if they could speak!! Do you think that that unborn child would agree to the abortion NO do we not ALL deserve the right to live????

Personally I find it all hard to comprehend I really do and watching the programme left me traumatised

Serkeen Wed 18-Oct-17 02:39:33

I think I would be angry about the powerlessness That I could not save my child from abortion.

Eloethan Wed 18-Oct-17 01:58:36

I think abortions are sometimes performed much later on because results of certain tests re foetal abnormality have to be done later, or only become apparent later in pregnancy.

I too was shocked to hear that some women end up miscarrying in public places - cafes, buses, etc. - because they can't make it home in time. I think it's absolutely appalling.

It is an unopular view I know but I believe that any woman who, for whatever reason, definitely does not want to be pregnant should be able to get a termination.

The man in that group felt that a partner/husband should have the legal right to deny a woman an abortion or - perhaps even worse - to force her to have one. I thought it was really shocking that he felt he should have control over another person's body. He said he had been pro-choice before it affected him personally. I thought that, rather than having a genuine belief in the rights of all unborn children, this suggested he was principally angry about his own powerlessness in that situation.

maryeliza54 Tue 17-Oct-17 23:39:21

I do think not wanting the baby is a good reason in itself whatever the specific reason behind that is. What’s wrong with abortion on demand ? It’s better than unwanted unloved children being born

Anniebach Tue 17-Oct-17 22:19:45

There is not always a good reason for aborting unless not wanting a baby is a good reason, the signing off by two doctors is rubbish, it has become abortion on demand.

paddyann Tue 17-Oct-17 22:09:57

and she's right serkeen its HER choice and it has to be signed off by two doctors so there must have been good reasons for them We cant condemn women for making a difficult choice when in some cases it would ruin not just their lives but their families.No one I know who has had a termination jumped up and down with glee about it,it was a bad episode in their lives and they live with it every day .Like others have said its only very extreme cases where its done up to 24 weeks ,would you ask that the mother carried a dead child or a child she knew had no chance of life until full term and had to watch it die? How cruel would that be ?

Oldwoman70 Tue 17-Oct-17 21:48:53

If a woman chooses to have an abortion I would prefer to see it done under medical supervision - I hadn't realised the women were sent home after taking the pills, surely they should stay in the hospital until its all over?

trisher Tue 17-Oct-17 21:20:07

exactly lemon but because no-one dared to de-criminalise it when the law was changed the restriction remains-bloody stupid isn't it!

lemongrove Tue 17-Oct-17 21:00:16

And really, no point in taking the pills in a hospital in that case, better to be in your own home, with somebody close to you with you.